Possible Terrorist Attack in London

[kruneh]

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point taken.But i refuse to sit here and read that usa is to blame for these attacks.I have been bummed out all morining thinking about what those who were attacked today.

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Please go ahead, PM me, I can handle it.

[Deneb]

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"Those who would give up essential freedoms for security, deserve neither freedom nor security"
- Benjamin Franklin

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too bad more people didn't get this message with the enactment of the patriot act.

Lets nuke the entire middle east.

[txcharvel]

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The Quran does not encourage this sort of thing any more than the Bible. The truth is that Christians have been some of the most violent and intolerant people throughout history.


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Just for fun, I'd like to see where you think the Bible encourages this sort of thing. Not trying to start a religeous debate here, but I'm pretty certain that anything you could point to would be taken out of context.

Yes, people and leaders have been responsible for doing some pretty nasty things in the name of Christianity. But they were all nuts as proven by history and hindsight.

I've had some in depth conversations with a few muslims. Do they all condemn terrorism? Of course. Do they preach tolerism and moderation? Of course. Do they believe that all the "infidels" (non-muslims) should have their hands and heads cut off? Absolutely [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

[Badseed]

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Thanks for posting that YAO, definatley not what i was taught in church. This is the kind of stuff the terrorists have been reading since they were old enough to read, what ehy have been hearing since birth.Its no wonder why they do it.

TXcharvel good points.

Uniformed is the right word.

[donf]

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And for everyone who thinks that attacking Mecca will solve all the problems... I would want to laugh but you seem pretty serious...

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I chose Mecca, cause it costs a lot less than the World Trade Center. 9/11....I still remember!

[Matt Crooks]

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Dear Mr.Crooks

Please go back and find my statements where i say kill them all.Seriously, where did i say that?I have talked about terrorists, in your mind you must equate that to all muslims, i dont. Not once have i talked about whole goverments.I didt say GOVERNMENTS , i said terrorists.I believe in the war in IRAQ, if you dont, thats your problem not mine.


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I believe in the war, it's pretty much real. Regardless of if I support the war or not, it's all our problems when innocent people from both sides are dying on a daily basis. You didn't say that all Muslims are terrorists, but that tone has certainly been present in this thread.

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And please tell me what an infidel is, because if you believe in any other god other the Allah, you are one.Terrorists call this war a war on the infidels.If they didnt mind us liking jesus do you think they would be doing what they are doing?Please mr crooks, buy a vowel and solve the puzzle for us.


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Mr. Seed, since you asked, the definition of an infidel can be found here.

The Quran builds on the teachings of the Old and New testaments of the Bible. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet sent from God just like Mohammed.

The reason they are doing this, IMO, has nothing to do with "our" Christian beliefs. It has to do with protecting their radical lifestyle and beliefs which Western influence is undermining.

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Mcviegh didnt kill in the name of a religion, islamic terrorists do.Two different subjects IMO.


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Terrorisim is terrorism, the reasons behind it don't matter, do they?

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Please go through my last post and answer some of the tougher questions.
Should Sadaam still be in power, murdering millions?


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I'd like to see your sources that show he was murdering millions. However, I do believe that Iraq is better off without him in power. How he was removed from power is irrelavent at this point.

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Did we deserve 9-11? What did we do to deserve it ?

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I really don't think *I* said that.

However, understanding the reason something happened is not the same thing as excusing it. The US did nothing to deserve the 9-11 attacks. However, our actions may have been the reason for the attack. Does that mean we should change? I don't know, and that's a topic for another discussion.

[YetAnotherOne]

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"Fool" is a relative term Veli. Point is that it's just downright silly to say that violence and terrorism are not advocated by Islam when, in point of fact, they could easily be depending on one's interpretation of the written word. I'll leave the debate as to the proper interpretation of Islamic texts to scholars, but let's not kid ourselves that the terrorists beliefs do not flow from Islam. Obviously there is an at least somewhat widespread school of thought in the Muslim world supporting the very interpretation the terrorists favor, otherwise Islamic terrorism would not be the well-financed, well-organized, worldwide phenomenon it is today.

[hippietim]

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Hey Brad, REREAD my statement:

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The Quran does not encourage this sort of thing <font color="yellow">any more than the Bible</font>.

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For example (there are hundreds of these in the bible):


Genesis:
Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." 8:20

God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7 Gen.16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14

Exodus:

Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people." 31:14

Deuteronomy:

2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

2:35 Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

7:16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them : neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.

Joshua:

6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Judges:

1:17 And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah.

1:25 And when he shewed them the entrance into the city, they smote the city with the edge of the sword; but they let go the man and all his family.

[khabibissell]

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Something needs to be done. Terrorists need to be dealt with harshly, period. I don't have the answer, but the Iraq invasion was a mistake.

I served in the Marines. I wake up every day, hear of a new death over there, and wonder if it was someone I served with. All the macho chest thumping is cool, but not very bright. We have service men and women over there dying FOR NOTHING. Our government needs to wise up and find a more intelligent way of dealing with this situation. Unfortunately, they have to clean up the mess they've created.

All of this coming from a person that was so angry at the time of 911 I was ready to re-enlist. My family talked me out of it.

[Matt Crooks]

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My view on a few select quotes...

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How can call some one a "Raghead" and then turn around and say it's not about racism? [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]


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Because some of them have rags on their heads...hey, if you get robbed by a man with one arm, who will the police be looking for? mmm

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Islam does believe in Jesus and God.


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Islam does not believe in Jesus and God. Islam views Jesus as a prophet of allah, not as the son of God.

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here's an idea... Timmothy McVeigh came from the mid-west. We should kill all midwesterners because McVeigh is a terrorist.

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Actually, there is credible evidence that McVeigh was linked to terrorists in the Middle East and possibly to Iraq.

Call me a nut if you will. Just because you're uninformed doesn't make me a nut [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Calling someone a raghead because they wear a turbin is racist. Period. What sort of people should we be looking for, Muslim Extermists, certainly. That doesn't excuse the racial slur.

As you pointed out Muslims do believe in Jesus, they just have a different belief than Christians.

[hippietim]

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Thanks for posting that YAO, definatley not what i was taught in church. This is the kind of stuff the terrorists have been reading since they were old enough to read, what ehy have been hearing since birth.Its no wonder why they do it.

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The same sort of stuff is in the Bible all over the place. So then the difference is that the Muslims read the Quran but Christians don't read the Bible?

[donf]

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Most of these seem like historical events and not an advocation for commiting violence.

[Matt Crooks]

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Point is that it's just downright silly to say that violence and terrorism are not advocated by Islam when, in point of fact, they could easily be depending on one's interpretation of the written word. I'll leave the debate as to the proper interpretation of Islamic texts to scholars, but let's not kid ourselves that the terrorists beliefs do not flow from Islam. Obviously there is an at least somewhat widespread school of thought in the Muslim world supporting the very interpretation the terrorists favor, otherwise Islamic terrorism would not be the well-financed, well-organized, worldwide phenomenon it is today.

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Agreed. But because a minority interprets it this way, doesn't mean that the religion as a whole is bad.

Christianity through the ages has been used for violent purposes. It doesn't mean the religion as a whole is bad or wrong, just that the people interpreting the teachings are.

[jim777]

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Well, part of it certainly is that people who read the Bible know who wrote the various books in it. Muslims believe the Koran was dictated by Allah himself, so no interpretation is necessary; interpretation is heresy, and punishable by death.

[Twisteramps]

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same sort of stuff is in the Bible all over the place. So then the difference is that the Muslims read the Quran but Christians don't read the Bible?

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I think the difference that matters most is that Christians aren't out there killing people in the name of God or asking for holy wars against all muslims.

Pete