Possible Terrorist Attack in London

[charvelguy]

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terrible as it is, it could have been worse, Spain had 200 killed and thousands injured in a similar attack.

They found a weakness, and they exploited it, and they'll likely get spanked hard because of it.

This fight has been going on for 58 years in Israel...we have a long long painful slog ahead of us...

[veliyasin]

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The Quran builds on the teachings of the Old and New testaments of the Bible. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet sent from God just like Mohammed.


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Islam was created by a charimatic leader named Muhammad (he was also epileptic). In order to bring together a region that was left desolate by the Roman Empire, he started a religion that brought together all the major religions of the region, Judaism, Christianity, and the moon worshipers (who worshiped the moon "goddess", kind of ironic). Muhammad made certain to include the main points in the other three religions. Jesus was to be a prophet like himself, and Abraham was to be the father. I'm not as knowledgeable about the practices of the moon worshipers, but the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon.

Muhammad wanted power and he was certain that everyone in the region would adopt this new system. When the Jews and Christians didn't follow along, they became the focus of his hatred and growing insanity.

This is all easily researched.

Depending on your religeous viewpoint (whatever that may be) the idea of including Jesus and Abraham could potentially take on an entire new meaning.

PM me if you have any questions [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Buddy, please lay down that crack pipe I beg you. Islam is just as real as Christianity. Are you sure you are not the one who is epileptic? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[GodOfRhythm]

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Yeah, veliyasin, It's as real as christianity. Institutionalized (although it's less 'clear' in Islam) forms of religious to keep the people in the dark and to seize all power.

[veliyasin]

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Institutionalized (although it's less 'clear' in Islam) forms of religious to keep the people in the dark and to seize all power.

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Yup, I see your point there.

But everyone who thinks that Christianity is a "real" religion while Islam is man-made is clearly out of touch with reality. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Matt Crooks]

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Agreed. But because a minority interprets it this way, doesn't mean that the religion as a whole is bad.

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Matt, please reread this thread and point to the place where I said the whole of Islam was bad.

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And point to where I said you did.

I didn't say you said that the whole of Islam was bad. I was trying to point out that if a minority of a group of people are bad doesn't mean that the whole group is.

Put another way, C.C. Deville played some Jackson guitars, that doesn't make all guitarist who play Jacksons bad. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[hippietim]

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Wake me up to finish the discussion on the moral equivalency of Islam and Christianity when Billy Graham sends his first suicide bomber to Riyadh to blow up a bus full of Saudi schoolchildren.

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I suppose you've got me there. Billy Graham seems to be retiring.

[SeventhSon]

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same sort of stuff is in the Bible all over the place. So then the difference is that the Muslims read the Quran but Christians don't read the Bible?

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I think the difference that matters most is that Christians aren't out there killing people in the name of God or asking for holy wars against all muslims.

Pete

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Hitler was Christian. I think we all know how he felt about the Jews. Timothy McVeigh was Christian as well. The "Christian" label doesn't count for much when judging a person. Neither does the "Muslim" label do a good job in identifying your enemy when your foaming at the mouth looking for revenge.

It's al-Qaida, stupid. A radical terrorist organization whose members are Muslim. Just like the KKK are Christians. Fuckin-A, where is the confusion?

A lot of people on this board seem to form a blanket impression of Muslims by watching a few Fox interviews of flag-burning radicals. That's like being surprised that foreigners might form a negative opinion of the U.S. by watching an interview with David Duke.

[Joe_Steeler]

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i think it's horrible what happened in london. man's capacity for inumanity toward their fellow man is a very sad thing.

that said, it's also very sad that the membership here can't seem to discuss this kinda thing without slinging insults, spewing policitcal and religious crap, and just in general, being dicks. way to go.

sully

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and boys is very sad. We've got to better than that.
Slinging crap, blame and insults WILL NOT solve the problem.

[donf]

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and boys is very sad. We've got to better than that.
Slinging crap, blame and insults WILL NOT solve the problem

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Yeah, but Matt's attacking C.C. now. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Top Jimmy B]

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My daughters horse is an Arabian and I've got my eye on that fucker today, I can assure you of that.

[hippietim]

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i think it's horrible what happened in london. man's capacity for inumanity toward their fellow man is a very sad thing.

that said, it's also very sad that the membership here can't seem to discuss this kinda thing without slinging insults, spewing policitcal and religious crap, and just in general, being dicks. way to go.

sully

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Dude, we can't post guitars for sale without this sort of venom being spewed - to expect anything less for such a devastating and emotional incident would be "optimistic".

[charvelguy]

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same sort of stuff is in the Bible all over the place. So then the difference is that the Muslims read the Quran but Christians don't read the Bible?

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I think the difference that matters most is that Christians aren't out there killing people in the name of God or asking for holy wars against all muslims.

Pete

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Hitler was Christian. I think we all know how he felt about the Jews.

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Hitler warped Christianity, the KKK did the same thing too.
What they believe is right under the guise of Christ and Christianity is not what I believe is what Christ lived and died for.

[charvelguy]

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My daughters horse is an Arabian and I've got my eye on that fucker today, I can assure you of that.

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[MBreinin]

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Good lord, what a mess. The hatred runs deep, people, and it is very, very hard to remove from the psyche of many diverse nations. People essentially differentiate themselves through exclusion. They build hate and mistrust on these principles. This is a human phenomenon as old as consciousness. There is no solution. You could bomb Muslim nations back to the stoneage, and all you would do is create a new generation that would be even more vehement in their hatred of the West.

The only way this will come to an end is if there is a collective change that comes from within these nations that harbor, encourage, finance and train terrorists. I don't see that happening.

What I see is decades and decades of warfare. I see a future where these shitbirds will get their hands on a nuke and vaporize a Western city, escalating this entire quagmire to a whole new level.

I wish there were an easy solution.

My thoughts are with the victims of today's attack.

Mike

[Shawn Lutz]

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I agree with Sully that we ought not bring race, religion or politics into this. You can look at it from any angle but the jest of it these people have fucked up way of thinking. They should be held accountable and pay for their actions, regardless of religion, nationality and race. Not all terrorists are radical Muslims, not all radical Muslims are Arab, not all Arab Muslims are terrorists. Having said that I don't give a fuck who they are, where they are from or if they believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny or not, they are fucked up and should pay the price for their actions...