Hilarious or just plain sad?

[horns666]

Re: Hilarious or just plain sad?

you all have great points that I can't argue with ..Annah...I'm not in your shoes and can only take your word for it....and I do.. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

All I want to do is take your sons out for an ice cream...I dunno...ages 10 to 14 that's a good impressionable age...ans sit and watch all the pretty girlies lick and suck there Ice cream cones until they sport wood and walk funny... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

when that happens...if that happens...things are just A - OK in my book..and you can rest assure your son will be lady killer...which is a GOOD thing in my book!

My son is in love with a local Playmate Carmella Decesare...her mom was my very first kiss on a "truth or dare" in the eighth grade ..true story....well my kid sports a chub everytime he here's the name Carmella..

THAT'S AWESOME...plus he's a charming lil' fucker just like his ol' man...so he will have puss falling outta his pockets in no time...

Carmela is ONE fine POA...if you show your your "coming of age" boy a pic of Carmela...and he just shrugs his shoulders...sorry man...he's gay! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Mrs Tekky]

Re: Hilarious or just plain sad?

Not that I am trying to cause problems - but Hotrod didn't you specifically say this ==> "Hmmm, interesting, so is homosexuality the only thing people are born with or are pedophiles born that way too? What about rapists? If they're all born that way, then why even try to rehabilitate? "

The way it is worded it could easily be construed as you comparing homosexuals to rapists and pedophiles. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

As for the rehabilition of rapists and pedophiles - there are some scans that show a pedophiles brain does not work like a normal persons. The same for rapists - although sex is only the tool that a rapist uses.

[Annah]

What, exactly, is NORMAL???

You know what... the more I read and the more I hear and see about people in this world, the more I realize just how big a lie normalcy is. There is no such thing as normal beyond the fact that there is no such thing! Now there's a circular definition if ever there was one!

Seriously, "normal" is nothing more than a social construct designed to maintain a certain level of order or status of the masses based on a psychological expectation - which is sublimely based on guilt and fear (of not living up to the expectations). Maybe you could call it a form of "guideline", but there isn't such a thing as "normal" in reality. There is common, and usual, but not normal. "Normal" is a code-word for mind control.

I'm not giving you a hard time specifically, Mrs. T, but when you mentioned "...like a normal person's." I just had to say something. Every time I hear the mention of "normal people" this-or-that I just have to laugh. There ain' one damn "normal" person amongst the bunch of us here at the JCF and THANK GOD FOR THAT! Can you imagine how screwy this world would be if everyone really did fit the idealistic notion of normalcy? Holy crap, what a shitty place to live that would be! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

By the way, I wanna take this opportunity to say thank you to Bill and Hotrod (and everyone here, really). You guys are too cool.

[Budman68]

Re: What, exactly, is NORMAL???

<font color="aqua">I totally hear where you're coming from. My daughter has a learning disability and to put it bluntly, she's a bit slow. Quite frankly, she's still more "normal" than most friggin "normal" people out there that I know!! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] </font>

[Mrs Tekky]

Re: What, exactly, is NORMAL???

I have to totally agree with you. I'm not the one to use the word normal on a regular basis - I am most defintely not normal. But normal is the term that is most often used when describing an abnormal brain scan in comparison to a "normal" - that definition is generally what a so-called well adjusted person's brain would show.

Normality is definitely indefinable. Thankfully everyone is different, but there are many situations where the norm is determined. If everyone was allowed to define their own normal - there are pedophiles that truly believe there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. For them, it is the normal thing to do.

I truly hate the word normal. There are any number of things about me that people would not see as normal. Of course, I think most people are truly more "normal" than they want to admit.

[StukaJU87]

Re: What, exactly, is NORMAL???

Must there be all this talk about pedophiles on my day off? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Hotrod]

Re: Hilarious or just plain sad?

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Not that I am trying to cause problems - but Hotrod didn't you specifically say this ==> "Hmmm, interesting, so is homosexuality the only thing people are born with or are pedophiles born that way too? What about rapists? If they're all born that way, then why even try to rehabilitate? "

The way it is worded it could easily be construed as you comparing homosexuals to rapists and pedophiles. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

As for the rehabilition of rapists and pedophiles - there are some scans that show a pedophiles brain does not work like a normal persons. The same for rapists - although sex is only the tool that a rapist uses.

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Yes. the was the question that I asked. I was not making a statement. I was asking what else people think "we're born with" as far as sexual tendencies (for lack of a better word) but then everyone decided to jump to the conclusion that I must be saying that gays are the same as pedo's and rapists. I know pedophiles are scum and should be lined up and shot (my opinion only) and I'm not saying that gays should be (read all of my posts, this has been stated a couple times). GLBT's should have all the rights that I have. I know rape is a crime of violence, not passion so I should have picked a better example like say beastiality or something. (Again, not a comparison, but a question)

Like I said, I just don't think it is so black and white, that people are all either born that way or they're all not. I think it is a mix of several contributing factors, sometimes factors that a person is born with.

I also think that a subject like this is a very hard one to discuss on an internet forum partially due to the sensitive and very controversial nature (people are very passionate about their opinions one way or another on this kind of topic) and partly because it is very hard (for me at least) to convey one's thoughts and emotions properly on a computer terminal.

You bring up another (non-related to homosexuality) point though. Are you saying they can tell at birth if someone is a pedophile? If so, then we should be able to do something about it, no? Are all pedophiles brains this way or just some?

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[Hotrod]

Re: What, exactly, is NORMAL???

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You know what... the more I read and the more I hear and see about people in this world, the more I realize just how big a lie normalcy is. There is no such thing as normal beyond the fact that there is no such thing! Now there's a circular definition if ever there was one!

Seriously, "normal" is nothing more than a social construct designed to maintain a certain level of order or status of the masses based on a psychological expectation - which is sublimely based on guilt and fear (of not living up to the expectations). Maybe you could call it a form of "guideline", but there isn't such a thing as "normal" in reality. There is common, and usual, but not normal. "Normal" is a code-word for mind control.



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I can definitely agree with that statement Annah [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Annah]

A Question of a Preponderance of Evidence

I agree with what you said Hotrod, about this being a tough topic to discuss in such a forum. So true that is.

I have a question for you all, if you care to answer it; if not, that's totally fine, of course...

IF it were possible to tell, absolutely for certain, if a baby (at whatever age) would grow up to become a pedophile, what should be done with that child? Should they be "terminated"? Should they be "fixed" somehow (if that's even a possibility). Should they be kept in a cage all their lives? Should they be left alone and monitored somehow? Or simply left to their own devices in hopes that they don't choose to act on their instincts?

Reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie Minority Report.

[Tetsuo]

Re: What, exactly, is NORMAL???

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You know what... the more I read and the more I hear and see about people in this world, the more I realize just how big a lie normalcy is. There is no such thing as normal beyond the fact that there is no such thing! Now there's a circular definition if ever there was one!

Seriously, "normal" is nothing more than a social construct designed to maintain a certain level of order or status of the masses based on a psychological expectation - which is sublimely based on guilt and fear (of not living up to the expectations). Maybe you could call it a form of "guideline", but there isn't such a thing as "normal" in reality. There is common, and usual, but not normal. "Normal" is a code-word for mind control.

I'm not giving you a hard time specifically, Mrs. T, but when you mentioned "...like a normal person's." I just had to say something. Every time I hear the mention of "normal people" this-or-that I just have to laugh. There ain' one damn "normal" person amongst the bunch of us here at the JCF and THANK GOD FOR THAT! Can you imagine how screwy this world would be if everyone really did fit the idealistic notion of normalcy? Holy crap, what a shitty place to live that would be! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

By the way, I wanna take this opportunity to say thank you to Bill and Hotrod (and everyone here, really). You guys are too cool.

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First off I don't even want to touch your Gattaca?Minority Report question

As far as normal LOL what a joke. I like to think in terms of Patrick Bateman when I think of normal. There is the apperance of normal then there is the the reality of who we are.

We all say man that is one strange person right, I usually say it but follow up with who isn't? Really who isn't?

[SeventhSon]

Re: Hilarious or just plain sad?

If you have any doubt that people are genetically BORN with crossed signals, do a google search on "hermaphrodite".

Then ask yourself the question: do crossed signals HAVE TO manifest themselves physically? or is it possible (gasp) for someone to be born with crossed signals yet appear to be completely "normal" on the outside?

If you answer this with "no", I guess cancer and diabetes are just lifestyle choices as well.

Look at cultures where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Why would someone "choose" that?

As for the morality issue, if you are a Christian, then you believe that hermaphrodites are God's creations, so ask your religious leader to whom this person should have a sexual relationship with without committing a sin, and whether the partner (if he/she has regular plumbing) is committing a sin. Don't we believe that a just God would stand behind our Constitutional principles regarding the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Unfortunately, I would suspect that a few religious leaders would proclaim that this particular example of God's creation shouldn't have sex or be allowed to marry or raise kids like the rest of us.

[Tekky]

Re: A Question of a Preponderance of Evidence

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I agree with what you said Hotrod, about this being a tough topic to discuss in such a forum. So true that is.

I have a question for you all, if you care to answer it; if not, that's totally fine, of course...

IF it were possible to tell, absolutely for certain, if a baby (at whatever age) would grow up to become a pedophile, what should be done with that child? Should they be "terminated"? Should they be "fixed" somehow (if that's even a possibility). Should they be kept in a cage all their lives? Should they be left alone and monitored somehow? Or simply left to their own devices in hopes that they don't choose to act on their instincts?

Reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie Minority Report.

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These are some of the moral questions that arise in scientific breakthroughs. Studies have been conducted on pedofiles where certain parts of their brains react when given certain stimuli. These same parts do not react when submitted to a control group. Unfortunately, I do not know the depth of these studies, so I don't know what affects, if any that age or sexual orientation would play upon these results.

[Hotrod]

Re: A Question of a Preponderance of Evidence

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I agree with what you said Hotrod, about this being a tough topic to discuss in such a forum. So true that is.

I have a question for you all, if you care to answer it; if not, that's totally fine, of course...

IF it were possible to tell, absolutely for certain, if a baby (at whatever age) would grow up to become a pedophile, what should be done with that child? Should they be "terminated"? Should they be "fixed" somehow (if that's even a possibility). Should they be kept in a cage all their lives? Should they be left alone and monitored somehow? Or simply left to their own devices in hopes that they don't choose to act on their instincts?

Reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie Minority Report.

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Minority Report was a very scary movie for that reason. Gave me the creeps [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

As far as answering your question, not on this forum I won't [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. I don't think that thread would last very long here.

It is however a very pertinent question as we are in an age where science is growing very rapidly. We may face that question for real before too much longer.

[Tetsuo]

Re: A Question of a Preponderance of Evidence

We are on the verge of it but I better shut up [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[micha]

Re: Hilarious or just plain sad?

@hotrod; I'm sorry if I got you wrong above.
but if you look closely on your posts, you might understand me getting it that way.
I just thought if your post did have the intention like I got it, it would have been a fault to not react.
I'm glad I misunderstood ya. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
sorry///