Definition of a band's sell-out?

[GodOfRhythm]

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Metallica after Justice Nuff said, sorry for you diehard fans but I saw them back In San Francisco as a club band. I liked the directions they went in until right after Justice.

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Diehard Metallica fans? Where?! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

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[Endrik]

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ehhee this is my favourite subject [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

It makes me laugh when people say that Metallica became a sellout after MOP and AJFA, if the most popular and the biggest selling album makes the band a "sellout" then the word "sellout" must be a compliment.
A lot more people started to respect metallica because of the black album, is that bad??? Writing good songs is bad??? Having a MONSTER sound is bad??? Bob Rock is fucking great man. Only thing that bothers me on the black album is the godawful Hammett's wah noise instead of lead guitar tone.

I belive that a lot of metalheads are jelaous when they call some metal band a sellout because they started to make "radio friendly" music, jelaous because they think they are the only one who can listen to that band, if "normal" people (non-metalheads") listen to it, then the band isn't cool anymore. wtf is that???

90% of the cases when bands starts to make more "radio-friendly" music, then a lot of people start calling them sellouts, but the bands knows that very well, so why they are making that "sellout" music then? Because people buy it, if they wouldn't then the band wouldn't make that music. Maybe all the bandmembers are NORMAL human beings, maybe they like when hot chicks go to their concerts, not only dudes with leather and spikes.

jebus, I'm amazed that people still haven't got over of that "this band sells, therefore it sucks" thing.
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[VulfgangPfuck]

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I think accusing a band of "selling out" is a form of jealousy. Sometimes a change of direction is needed. The punk world pointed fingers and accused Green Day of selling out...........man,....... I'd hate to be Billy Joe at this time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
It must be hell to get outa bed in the morning and kick the money out of the way, just to get to the bathroom.

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Um....that's exactly the point here Don. Billy Joe is kicking those sellout dollars out of the way that he made not sticking to their guns, and catering to the fans that made them popular in the first place. Just MHO

I'm not jealous of Green Day or any other band that making millions, and playing areanas. I wanna play the music I like to hear, and if there's others that enjoy what I play...all the better, but I'm sure as shit not going to start with one formula of songwriting, and then change that for just a few more (million) dollars.

[donf]

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Yeah, but I don't think musically they've strayed off course, at least in the punk sense. I'm not much of a punk follower or metal follower, but, when someone takes a course of action that they want to, I'm open to listen. Someone pointed out several bands that have strayed, one of them being Zeppelin. Their Zepp III 'acoustic set' was viewed 'way off course' for them, at the time, but follow up albums came back toward their original stuff as well as mixing acoustical stuff also. All in all, I'd say they were pretty successful. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I just think the word sellout is a word that people with tunnel vision possess. I own hundreds of album/tapes/cds and there are very few of those I can say that I like every song from beginning to end, so on a minor scale, for example, if I were a die-hard metal fan of a group that kicked ass, then all of the sudden, they stuck a 'power ballad' [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] on the record, as a lot of them did, should I consider them a sell-out for playing that commercial crap on their record? I think its the angle someone looks at it.

[GodOfRhythm]

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I think accusing a band of "selling out" is a form of jealousy. Sometimes a change of direction is needed. The punk world pointed fingers and accused Green Day of selling out...........man,....... I'd hate to be Billy Joe at this time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
It must be hell to get outa bed in the morning and kick the money out of the way, just to get to the bathroom.

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Um....that's exactly the point here Don. Billy Joe is kicking those sellout dollars out of the way that he made not sticking to their guns, and catering to the fans that made them popular in the first place. Just MHO

I'm not jealous of Green Day or any other band that making millions, and playing areanas. I wanna play the music I like to hear, and if there's others that enjoy what I play...all the better, but I'm sure as shit not going to start with one formula of songwriting, and then change that for just a few more (million) dollars.

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That is just ignorant, man. So a band should cater for its original fans?

That theory is just totaly flawed. First of all catering to your fans IS selling out, no matter what, and keep catering for your first fans means virtually ZERO musical progression or advancement, which is boring and bland.

By your definition I'd MUCH rather be a big fan of a sell-out band, than another run of the mill, let's-release-the-same-album-10-times-before-putting-out-a-greatest-hits-album band.

[OnlineStageGear]

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Every band sells out to some degrees. We all want to write 15 minute songs with 5 guitar solos in them, so we are all selling out to some extent if we aren’t doing that.

99% of us are selling out as well when we go to work all week since it is not what we would really want to be doing, but we need the $$.

Yes I am equally upset when a band sells out and plays crappy music (in my opinion) or worse yet when they decide to “change their direction” and just play weird stuff that nobody really likes.

Matt

[donf]

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Yes I am equally upset when a band sells out and plays crappy music

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Agree Matt, but one man's garbage is another man's treasure. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[OnlineStageGear]

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This is true...

[atomic charvel guy]

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in the words of the mighty david lee roth- "the reason rock critics like elvis costello and hate van halen is due to the fact that they all look like elvis costello." i found that rahter funny, even though i like a lot of elvis costello songs. rock critics are exactly what their title proclaims, critics, not players , so some bad press alone can kill a band just as M.T.V. can make or break a band. now i love the old kiss, but selling kiss coffins is a bit over the top, even for a kook like me.

[Badseed]

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Yes tommy, but they double as a beer cooler!

[atomic charvel guy]

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how do i get one?

[VulfgangPfuck]

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I think accusing a band of "selling out" is a form of jealousy. Sometimes a change of direction is needed. The punk world pointed fingers and accused Green Day of selling out...........man,....... I'd hate to be Billy Joe at this time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
It must be hell to get outa bed in the morning and kick the money out of the way, just to get to the bathroom.

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Um....that's exactly the point here Don. Billy Joe is kicking those sellout dollars out of the way that he made not sticking to their guns, and catering to the fans that made them popular in the first place. Just MHO

I'm not jealous of Green Day or any other band that making millions, and playing areanas. I wanna play the music I like to hear, and if there's others that enjoy what I play...all the better, but I'm sure as shit not going to start with one formula of songwriting, and then change that for just a few more (million) dollars.

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That is just ignorant, man. So a band should cater for its original fans?

That theory is just totaly flawed. First of all catering to your fans IS selling out, no matter what, and keep catering for your first fans means virtually ZERO musical progression or advancement, which is boring and bland.

By your definition I'd MUCH rather be a big fan of a sell-out band, than another run of the mill, let's-release-the-same-album-10-times-before-putting-out-a-greatest-hits-album band.

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No ignorance here...rather than my own personal opinion....so you're calling me ignorant for my opinion?!?
That's fuckin' bullshit if you ask me.

How many ORIGINAL Metallica fans wore "Selloutica" "$ad But True" shirts when the black album came out? The original fans (me being one of them)felt slighted because some AR person suggest to their management and record label that they change their direction, and write more accesible (a nice way of being called a sellout) songs to appeal to a larger audience.

That's like saying "Your heavy and fast-paced shit won't fly with the general public, so you need to change that, and you'll make more money if you do" C'mon man....there's tons of bands doing this shit! Bands I used to practically worship that has let me down by changing their direction. Queensryche is another. Empire was the beginning of the end for them. Again....my opinion, which I won't be called ignorant for. Did I call you a ignorant for your opinion?....no!
I will however defend my opinion on this topic.

As much as I hate Dave Shitstaine, and Megadouche now...I'll quote the newest album title. "The System Has Failed"...but don't hate me because that's my opinion.
How long has AC/DC (as simple as they are) been doing the same boring 3 chord progressions a zillion different ways, and now they are finally (within the past 10 or so years) finally gaining a large noteriety? They didn't have to change a goddamn thing about what they do, it's just that their ship finally came in and did it doing what they do best. Boring 3 chord progressions done 10 or 12 different ways per record.

[Badseed]

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UHH..ac/dc has been huge since 1980, back in black is 25 years old dude.

Also, i think he was saying your statement was ignorant, not you.You can be up on things and make ignorant statements.
You opinion is yours, learn it, love it, live it(fast times @ridgemeount high).Doesnt mean its right or wrong, its an opinion thread, not a FACT thread, jeez.

When i was a kid, if a band i liked came out with an lp that wasnt as heavy as the one before, i thought they sold out.I heard guys saying megadeth and slayer and metallica sold out when they got major label contracts, leaving combat and metal blade.

Now as an adult, i think that saying is GAY.Sold ou, phfffft we all did it when we started working for a living, moving on from our original career paths ie: rock stars ,ect..

I like Jason Newsteds answer to metallica selling out.He said " yeah , we sell out, every place we play, everytime"

[jwoods986]

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That DLR quote is right-on! F*** the "music critics", Rolling Stone, etc. Just a bunch of wannabes that don't even play music, just write about it. And don't get me started on the R&R Hall of Fame - what a joke! U2 get in their first year of eligibilty and bands like Sabbath, Priest, VH, and Rush are on the sidelines.

[Evol]

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Slayer sold out? Hmmm... Hadn't thought of them like that before...

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Agree 100% with that,if anything Slayer is one of the most steady,non-sellout bands in the world,they do what they want and have stayed true to their beginnings WHILE progressing.I like it that way personally,let's say they come out and do some acoustic ballad,then they would be sell-outs.