Definition of a band's sell-out?

[atomic charvel guy]

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i'm with ya mr. woods.

[Charlz]

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[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] If I can jump in here... It's all opinion. One man's 'sellout band' is another man's favorite album. There is no 'best band in the world', there is no 'best album in the world', it's all opinion. I liked Metallica until Master, I don't like their newer stuff, so what?!?! I have nothing against them, just don't like their newer stuff, and if the next guy does, good for him. If we all liked the same thing, how boring would that be?!?!?!? Same with Megadeth. Maiden had a couple.. mistakes... so what?! (FYI: Loved 7th Son, could take or leave Somewhere in Time, Alexander the gay is the worst song ever...IMHO, but overall their still my favorite band... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) The term sell out is an opinion too. I don't like it when one of my favorite bands turn left either, but it just means $20.00 more in my pocket because I don't have to buy the next album... Better for me... Anyway, I'm just saying that it's all opinions, and really, who cares??? [img]/images/graemlins/eviltongue.gif[/img] Sorry guys, just had to get in on the rants... [img]/images/graemlins/rant.gif[/img]

[VulfgangPfuck]

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UHH..ac/dc has been huge since 1980, back in black is 25 years old dude.

Also, i think he was saying your statement was ignorant, not you.You can be up on things and make ignorant statements.
You opinion is yours, learn it, love it, live it(fast times @ridgemeount high).Doesnt mean its right or wrong, its an opinion thread, not a FACT thread, jeez.

When i was a kid, if a band i liked came out with an lp that wasnt as heavy as the one before, i thought they sold out.I heard guys saying megadeth and slayer and metallica sold out when they got major label contracts, leaving combat and metal blade.

Now as an adult, i think that saying is GAY.Sold ou, phfffft we all did it when we started working for a living, moving on from our original career paths ie: rock stars ,ect..

I like Jason Newsteds answer to metallica selling out.He said " yeah , we sell out, every place we play, everytime"

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I realize AC/DC broke out in 80 with Black In Black, but even then, they had only a cult following...metal wasn't as big as it is now, and they got looped into being a "metal band" or hard rock as it was known as back then.
I meant...they didn't have the noteriety they have today (within the last 10 years), but they didn't change a thing about what they do to get there either.

As far as mentioning the "ignorance issue"....GOR mentioned that I made an ignorant comment based on my <u>opinion</u> , and that my theory on this subject was "flawed". That's what I fired back defending. I didn't mention he was calling ME ignorant. And yes, I realize this is an opinion-based thread (matter of factly [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])...ok, so maybe there's the argument based on opinion, but I don't like having my opinion labled as "ignorant". He could've said I don't agree with your opinion, and left it at that. Sorry for sounding so sensitive, but I stand firmly behind my opinion on the subject.

[Top Jimmy B]

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I sell out, like many, everyday because under this nice pin striped suit lies a rock and roll animal, hating every excrutiating moment I dress like a putz. But, this is where the benjamins are and I need the green. I'd like nothing more than to let my tattoos show to the world and starve for my guitar, but my kids wouldn't have much of a future would they?

If I were Metallica I would have recorded tha Black album after Cliff died and blamed the change on Jason, while I snorted blow off a groupies ass with a thousand dollar bill...thanking Bob Rock for his advice all the while.

Money is the shit - artisitc integrity and fan loyalty are the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

Edit - I'm in a weird mood today. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Badseed]

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"Money is the shit - artisitc integrity and fan loyalty are the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus."


that has to replace the uniballer as your next tag line, love it!

[Drsracing]

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I sell out, like many, everyday because under this nice pin striped suit lies a rock and roll animal, hating every excrutiating moment I dress like a putz. But, this is where the benjamins are and I need the green. I'd like nothing more than to let my tattoos show to the world and starve for my guitar, but my kids wouldn't have much of a future would they?

If I were Metallica I would have recorded tha Black album after Cliff died and blamed the change on Jason, while I snorted blow off a groupies ass with a thousand dollar bill...thanking Bob Rock for his advice all the while.

Money is the shit - artisitc integrity and fan loyalty are the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

Edit - I'm in a weird mood today. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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[Badseed]

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"I realize AC/DC broke out in 80 with Black In Black, but even then, they had only a cult following"

David Korech and Jim Jones liked these guys too? Dont drink the kool-aid at the ac/dc concert!

[Drsracing]

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MMM Kool aid

[GodOfRhythm]

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Boring 3 chord progressions done 10 or 12 different ways per record.

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Exactly, and is it progressing and growing as a musician? NO! And THAT is exactly what I was trying to say.

I consider bands to 'sell-out' and to be 'bad' musicians when they limit theirselves to one thing (or the thing they do best or catering to their first fans, etc etc etc etc etc etc).

I might not like everything a band does on its journey, exploring different corners of the sonic landscape, but most of the times I DO like it and I commend them anyways, because they have the BALLS, GUTS and ARTISTIC DRIVE to explore other places.

P.S. I did not imply to call you ignorant, as a person, Ken, I know you're not, I was talking about the statement you made.

[zeegler]

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Bah, the fact is, unless you are psychic, there's really no way of knowing why a band changes musical direction. My band has gone through several different styles of music (metal [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) and not once was it anything to do with popularity or money. We simply felt like doing something else.

I'd really like to know though, why Slayer are sellouts. They are playing the music they like. It happens to be what their fans like. That's not really a surprise since that is the music that got them interested in Slayer in the first place. Are they sellouts because they have not changed their music to suit a more radio freindly genre? That's nonsensical bullshit.

[GodOfRhythm]

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They stick to the formula that works. Depending on their TRUE motivation I'd either call them sell-outs or bad/motivationless musicians.

[blindmuddy]

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Changing STYLE/DIRECTION is not the same as watering down your old sound and formatting everything into 3 minute radio friendly songs

[whackmaster]

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Def Lep is probably one of my favorite bands. I got into them with Pyromania, then Hysteria. Later, I started listening to OTTN and High and dry. By some standards, people claim they sold out by pyro, but that introduced me to them and I took my interest from there. Slang, imo, is a great album, but pretty far from their original sound, even hysteria. Now I would call euphoria a sellout album, because it is a recycled pyromania style after they went experimental on slang. X, for all its "poppiness", is a better album to me because at least they tried something different for themselves, and if thats what makes em happy, it's their right to record what they want. I would rather hear variety in a concert then not be able to tell one song from the next. I love AC/DC, but I would never go see them live for that reason. Flame away! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[VulfgangPfuck]

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I did not imply to call you ignorant, as a person, Ken, I know you're not, I was talking about the statement you made.

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Didn't mean to imply that you called ME ignorant...but my opinion. Sorry I mislead on that one.

And the AC/DC comment I made about the 3 chord progression done a dozen different ways, was that's what made them popular, and they haven't changed a thing, and they are still at the top of their game. I'm all for a band branching out and discovering different sounds, or even styles. What I hate, is when bands take their sound or style and water it down to be "radio friendly" as Blindmuddy said.

[metallicarocks]

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GodofRhythm, you must notice my username. The pun
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Diehard Metallica fans? Where?

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was spun off from my username dude. [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]