Definition of a band's sell-out?

[horns666]

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that's how I feel about ...anything from the media or whatever..I pay no attention to..and never take serious..it's a joke to me...and a bad one at that.

and whenever the moments that I'm forced to see or hear it ...I feel ill.. [img]/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]

[diablomozart]

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in reality, as soon as you sign tht dotted line, your "art" immediately becomes a "product"...hence...you have sold out right then...d.m.

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You raise a good point DM...I totally agree with that. But when it comes to loyalty, and originality to the fans, there's bands that will stick to their guns, and not change what they do for the almighty dollar, and write material that their fans want to hear. Slayer is a good example of this. You won't hear Slayer writing a "radio-friendly" song any time soon...just to broaden their fanbase. Same for bands like Nevermore just to name another.

Remember back in the 80's...a lot of bands fought to keep the genre underground....even Metallica, who swore up and down that they would never ever do an MTV video, and just a year later out comes "One"? That (IMO) is when they sold out. The moment they (or whoever was directing their career at the time) decided, well maybe we SHOULD do a video.

Some do it for the fans (the loyalty)....
Some do it for the money....(the sellouts)

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agreed...yet people label queensryche as sellouts when they decided they awanted to change directions as artists too...when hear in the now frontier and q2k tanked...they could have gone back to trying to write metal (as they are with mindcrime 2...DON'T get me started on that...lol)...but they didn't...they stuck to what they wanted to do...the point i was trying to raise in my post was that a band does not always change their sound for money...sometimes after they have the money they change their sound because they want to...my point is this...say theoretically Devane (my band) gets lucky and one of our songs (Prey) becomes a big hit...yes the record company will want prey pt. 2...as will the fans...but me as the artist will see it as ground already covered and will move on to the next thing...hence the sound of Devane will change...would that make me a sellout?......see my point?...lol...d.m.

[axeman81]

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Endrik:
This is also a TALENT not only playing friggin' arpeggios at 4000 BPM.
Those MTV artists work HARD, watch some videos, they jump around like some monkeys, pro dancing is hard as HELL, almost everyone who is BIG has some talent, playing an instrument and writing metal riffs isn't the only thing that matters.


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yes this is correct that's why I said they have no MUSICAL talent yet they appear on music channels, which themselves have been commercialised so hard that they no longer serve their purpose.


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You raise a good point DM...I totally agree with that. But when it comes to loyalty, and originality to the fans, there's bands that will stick to their guns, and not change what they do for the almighty dollar, and write material that their fans want to hear. Slayer is a good example of this.

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As far as your comment about Slayer, WarriorX7, I would say that any band that makes music purely for the fans would have to be the very definition of "sell-outs", because that sounds to me like they're doing not what they want to do for themselves, but doing it purely for someone else.

To me, I write music that I'm really happy with myself, and only when I do that I get a real satisfaction or kick out of the music...if I were to write some pop radio hit that "most people" would like, sure it might sell a million copies but it wouldn't do anything for me on a musical/emotional/satisfactory level to perform the song, hence, I would be doing it only for the allllmighty dollar [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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I think they have some musical talent, it is really hard to define "musical talent" really, I think Britney has some musical talent.
Question to ask, who is a better musician, Britney or Francesco Fareri [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

And Slayer sucks, always has and always will. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mudkicker]

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I sat here and read through this entire thread. Most of this shit cracks me up. you guys are the "pot calling the kettle black".

Why did you first pick up an instrument? Because you have this burning desire to make music that you hear in your head. Doubtful. Most likely and I'm sure 98% of us here idolized some rock star. You saw fame, fortune, and the rock star lifestyle.

When I was 12 I wasn't thinking WOW diminshed minor scales, augmented chords. No I was think I need to learn Round and Round so I could play it and score more chicks.

In essence we are all sellouts. Don't bash the guys who lucked out and got paid to live the life.

[Mätt]

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I think Britney has some musical talent.

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Now I know I'm new here and I don't have alot of ground with which to criticize something with but seriously.....You think she has talent? she doesn't write her songs, she doesn't sing them, she doesn't play an instrument, all she does is wear tiny clothes and dance around, I hardly consider that a talent of any form.

[VulfgangPfuck]

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say theoretically Devane (my band) gets lucky and one of our songs (Prey) becomes a big hit...yes the record company will want prey pt. 2...as will the fans...but me as the artist will see it as ground already covered and will move on to the next thing...hence the sound of Devane will change...would that make me a sellout?......see my point?...lol...d.m.

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Yes...I do from that standpoint. But...most of us make music we hear in out heads, and want to play for other people. My personal philosophy on that is, if people like the music I make, then all the better. If they don't like it, I'm not going to give in to being promised more money to do what some A&R rep, or manager wanted me to play. For example...I'd never join a country band if I were promised X-amount thousands of dollars to do it, because it's not what I'm into. I'd be miserable. (not slogging any country music fans that may be here, but it's just not my bag).

[StarRider]

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Not being true to your musical ideals, If you are greedy and lust for money, then you are a sell-out.
You have to have the conviction to say: Fuck You, this is what I, we are about, if you don't like it F-You. Just be true to yourself.

[jgcable]

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I thought Lars said it best when he defined a "sell out"
He said sure we are a sell out. We sell out every place we play.
in the immortal words or Doc.. nuff said..

[Emthrax]

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My definition of a band sell-out would be when a band starts whoring their music to TV commercial jingles. [img]/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]

[StarRider]

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My definition of a band sell-out would be when a band starts whoring their music to TV commercial jingles. [img]/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]

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How bout Zeppelin and Cadillac, talk about makin you sick [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[VulfgangPfuck]

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I thought Lars said it best when he defined a "sell out"
He said sure we are a sell out. We sell out every place we play.
in the immortal words or Doc.. nuff said..

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John,

That was Newsted that said that, and there's mention of it somewhere here in this thread, but I can't find it right now.
Yeah..selling out arenas everywhere they play because they are money whores! They don't care what the general public (nevermind their pre "Black album" fanbase) thinks.
They went after Napster?...why?....because they thought they were losing tons of their hard(ly)-earned millions writing happy fucking radio-friendly pop songs. [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

I don't care what anyone here says....Metallica Fucking blatantly $OLD OUT! Whether anyone thinks that's an ignorant comment....oh well. I'll take my flames for it then.

[horns666]

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"I think Britney has some musical talent."

oh yeah....she sure does have talent but it has nothing to do with music ...she has talent ...SUCKIN' DICK!!!!

how in the fuck do you think she got where she is..

you know the saying...

It's who ya know..or who ya blow..

I'd say in her case it's a little of both...

BTW...You guys are just having a good 'ol time with this topic ...I'll stay out of it...but I just saw that and had to respond...I couldn't help myself.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

OK ...have fun...bitchin' about ...ahhh whatever this is.. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[diablomozart]

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that is exactly the point warrior...i write the music i do because it is what i want to hear...and what the other guys in the band want to hear...you are absolutely right on the other point too...if others like it, then it's a bonus...case in point...my side project Torquestra will be on the prog power cd this year...and someone who heard it had to talk me into releasing any of it...why?...because it truly was music written entirely for my own enjoyment...i never thought anyone besides myself would even remotely enjoy it...now it's starting to grab peoples' attention...and i stay puzzled at that fact constantly...lol...first and foremost...being in a band and writing music should be done because you enjoy it...anyhting after that is just icing on the cake...but...playing devil's advocate...when you sign a deal you effectively become an "employee" of a company...and in being that, there are always compromises we will ave to make to stay at our jobs...we all do it every day we go to work...and to those signed bands, the band is their day job...i just ask that we, as musicians, take a look at the big picture and try not to criticize some of these bands already out there so harshly...they are doing their best to make a living...and most of us would give our eye teeth to be doing the same...lol...d.m.

[toejam]

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And Slayer sucks, always has and always will. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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If it weren't for Slayer, half the bands you listen to today wouldn't be. Reign In Blood changed the face of metal! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]