Bets on Iran by Feb 1st

[fett]

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Iran will sleep with us for many years to come. Iraq is just a pillow.

[hgsmith]

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Iran will sleep with us for many years to come. Iraq is just a pillow.

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[fett]

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Iran is the only stable country in the region. Listen to any newscast from any courtry and you will not hear anything from Iran about any problems. They are sooooo holding their cards to their vests. The whole Middle East will go religious. (NO OFFENSE JUST AN OBSERVATION)

[YetAnotherOne]

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LOL - of course you don't hear about any problems in Iran fett, dissenters are shot (stoned? hung? beheaded?) and everyone else, including the press, falls in line.

[fett]

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That's not the point. Iran will just be what they are. They just wait and let that whole region fall into their way of thinking. Read your history. We are going to lose this one bigger than "Nam" The Saudis are next.

[Twisteramps]

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Israel is *not* going to let Iran have nukes. Forget it. If they do, you're going to hear about a suicide bomber - popping a nuke - in israel or Iraq or the USA. I think the US is going to help israel as much as possible, and yeah, there are going to be troops on the ground. Iran is a nation that colludes with terrorists - guess who will get nukes once they have the capability?

Also, we're in iraq for a foothold in the area. We're going to have bases in there LONG after the iraquis are running the country. Mark my words.

The only hope Iran has is for moderates to take over - but for now, the old mullah/ayatollah types are calling the shots. Once we get people out of power there who remember the Shah and the US being buddy buddy, then there might be a chance of dealing with them.

Pete

[fett]

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Bets? You guys just don't get it. The "Middle East" was created by the winners of WWI and WWII. They, the tribes, never have bought that and they never will. They live in a whole different world. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[jjw]

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fett dont bother wasting time talking to the blinkered mate-not their fault realy but piss poor media and education on world history takes main prize

[YetAnotherOne]

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Arrogant son of a bitch aren't you? Thanks for reminding me why I dislike most Europeans.

[Endrik]

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since when the Israel are the good guys?

[lerxstcat]

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Bets? You guys just don't get it. The "Middle East" was created by the winners of WWI and WWII. They, the tribes, never have bought that and they never will. They live in a whole different world. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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So Egypt ISN'T over 5,000 years old? Iraq as Babylon/Sumeria, Iran as Persia, also not thousands of years old? Pardon me, I should sue my history professors, they must not know what you know! [img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Sure there are ethnic tribes, but they have lived in nation states for thousands of years anyway.

Israel will not tolerate an Iranian nuke, and we will not stop them - assuming we could. We might suffer an embarrassing defeat at the hands of those Israeli pilots. I also inmagine they've been planning this strike for years too. Extra fuel tanks can give much greater range for these strikes. They probably have tankers like our own. Again, we might piss and moan, or we might help, but we are NOT going to militarily stand in their way. We can't afford to lose them as allies just before a world war breaks out in the Mideast. Which is fairly likely in the aftermath of a strike on Iran.

[lerxstcat]

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fett dont bother wasting time talking to the blinkered mate-not their fault realy but piss poor media and education on world history takes main prize

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Kind of smug considering it was YOUR nation that drew those "arbitrary" lines. Palestine was hard because it was small nad had multiple claims, but Iraq is basically Babylonia and Iran is Persia. Guess what? THOSE empires also assimilated the tribes within their borders as well, so the big bad white British were not the only ones who did that. The locals did it much longer, why the outrage at only the latest to do the same thing?

We know our history just fine, maybe better than you do...

[GodOfRhythm]

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Mahmoud's latest babbling about the Holocaust being a myth created by Europeans and supported by the USA and Canada is not helping either.

I am getting the feeling that more is going on here, this is not just an abbrassive president talking, this is a shrude, clever individual backed by extremists and experts trying to provoke something, something to base something else on, namely a mushroom cloud.

Do not think for a SECOND that Iran would be running their mouth like this if they were not capable of defending themselves, in other words, I am convinced they already have the nuclear capability needed to strike and MY BET (I'll hold you to that wine, Fett [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ) is that they're just waiting for the first punch to be thrown to push the button.

[lerxstcat]

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They might, but it'd be suicidal. If they launch nukes on Israel, our ally, it gives us a defensible reason to launch on them. One US nuclear submarine could take out several Iranian cities or military installations, not to mention all the ships in our fleets carrying Tomahawks and nuclear-tipped missiles for fighter planes. It would be horrific for Iran and would destroy them as a power. It would also hasten the end of the anti-terror war by probably 20-30 years by eliminating the source - the current Iranian regime.

[YetAnotherOne]

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I am getting the feeling that more is going on here, this is not just an abbrassive president talking, this is a shrude, clever individual backed by extremists and experts trying to provoke something, something to base something else on, namely a mushroom cloud. Do not think for a SECOND that Iran would be running their mouth like this if they were not capable of defending themselves, in other words, I am convinced they already have the nuclear capability needed to strike and MY BET (I'll hold you to that wine, Fett [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ) is that they're just waiting for the first punch to be thrown to push the button.

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I've been thinking the same thing for some time now. It very much seems that the new leadership is attempting to provoke an Israeli attack so they'll have reason to respond.

The world set a very poor example by dithering and negotiating rather than acting while North Korea was in the process of developing their nuclear weapons. Iran took note, the UN and Europe did not, and now we're all watching a round of negotiations that are and will accomplish nothing aside from giving Iran time to complete its Manhattan Project. Iran likely has no intention of stopping short of the acquisition of nuclear weapons and China (oil dependency), Russia (trade including construction of nuclear facilities), and France (trade with Iran accounts for a mid-single digit slice of their economy) would block any attempted UN action (said action would, of course, be utterly worthless if by some miracle those 3 didn't derail it). Once that happpens and once they really begin to throw their newly-acquired weight around knowing full well that the possession of nuclear weapons makes them very dangerous and therefore largely exempt from military action, we'll see the despot sitting atop every third world hellhole and thugocracy racing to get into the nuclear game. If it's not stopped with Iran the world will become a far uglier and more dangerous place in a few very short years.

That aside North Korea and Iran are very different. Kim Jong Il may be insane but he's essentially a spoiled rich kid that would like nothing more than to keep his own personal supply of Swedish hookers and single malt scotch flowing in while basking in the glow of his adoring minions. No matter how big a tantrum he throws he's not likely to launch on Honolulu or California as it would result in Daddy (the US) taking away his gold card (ventilating his brain pan).

The Iranians are another matter entirely. If you have Lexis-Nexis access you can search for some recent quotes by high-ranking government and military folks over there to the effect that they have a religious duty to acquire nuclear weapons and, once in possession, have a religious duty to use them to destroy Israel. Some of the same folks are on record stating that the complete and utter destruction of Iran and the Iranian people would be acceptable if it meant the end of the Jewish state. Those are sentiments that should be taken seriously, particular given the rhetoric currently spewing forth.