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    So after over a year and a half with our second guitarist, we decided it was time we should go our seperate ways. He's a cool guy and all to hang out with, but when it came to the fundamentals of the band as far as writing songs and picking covers, this guy was one pain in the ass. He wanted to be a strictly 80's metal band, which on the surface is a good idea, but he wanted it to be glam metal. Poisen, Warrent, Firehouse ETC..... The other 4 of us wanted to be able to expand into some other stuff like Zeppelin or some newer stuff like Godsmack. He also hated Judas Priest with a passion, and the other 4 of us loves Priest.

    Even if all that could have somehow worked itself out, we are a band that likes to write songs, and this is where we really have a falling out with this guy. When he writes a song, he wants it done his way and won't have anything to do with any suggestions from others. There were many comments like "That's not the way I wrote it, and I wrote that before I was with you guys, so don't change it" or "This song has special meaning to me, so I really want it done a certain way" and the straw that broke the camel's back on Tuesday after I put one divebomb at the end of a lead that he hadn't heard before because he was always too loud "Don't put that shit in my song, put it in your own". Shortly before that we had the "beating a dead horse" discussion with him about his volume. I told him the band needs to have a good mix. He said he didn't need to hear us and can tell when we fuck up.

    Needless to say, he is pissed. He feels because he was the driving force behind booking our gigs and writing 70% of our songs, that warrents his attitude. We told him we basicly let him take the reins on booking the gigs and that after a year and a half for only booking 6 gigs, he sure as hell wasn't a booking monster or anything. He was also employed all of maybe 4 months out of the last 1.5 years, so he had plenty of free time to do it.

    It sux to let him go, he was a killer guitar player and a cool guy to hang with. I have been friends with him for well over 10 years, but it was what was best for the band.

    Matt

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    Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

    Why do you need 2 guitaris anyway? I never figured that one out and never been in a twin guitar band before. I think I can understand where he coming from on the writing, if I write something by myself I want it that stay the way I visioned it. If I collaborate then all is fair to twist and knarl anyway the band sees fit.
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    • #3
      Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

      I much prefer being in a single guitar band too... You can do it!

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        Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

        I've been in both and both have there advantages and disadvantages.

        I prefer a two guitar band. It's always a blast to trade solos in a song or do a harmony section. In writing originals, I always liked the two guitar situation as both guitars usually ended up complimenting each other rather than playing the same riff. Sometimes you step on each others toes, like doing a fill in the same spot, but that's easy enough to work out. Plus, sonically a two guitar line-up just sounds killer.

        Sounds like you made the right decision to me, probably a little late in the game. I mean, come on...the guy didn't like Judas Priest [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

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          Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

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          Why do you need 2 guitaris anyway? I never figured that one out and never been in a twin guitar band before. I think I can understand where he coming from on the writing, if I write something by myself I want it that stay the way I visioned it. If I collaborate then all is fair to twist and knarl anyway the band sees fit.

          [/ QUOTE ]

          There some songs you can only really do well as a 1 guitar band and the same for a 2 guitar band. I have probably been in both situation equally and can do either and would perfer a single axe situation, but the other guys probably want a second axe.

          As far as a song you have written on your own. When you are in a band full of imaginative witers, there is always going to be input on any song and you really should give all input a try. Sometimes it can make your song that much better.

          Matt

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          • #6
            Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

            I prefer being the only guitarist - in my experience it gives you more freedom.....
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              Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

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              I mean, come on...the guy didn't like Judas Priest [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

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              I know, and Judas Priest goes over so well at clubs and bars.

              Matt

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              • #8
                Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

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                I prefer a two guitar band. It's always a blast to trade solos in a song or do a harmony section.

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                Two guitars. Opens up a new world! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]
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                • #9
                  Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                  I look at it like this too - fewer members = tighter band, less issues with gigs, rehearsals, everything. I'm in a three piece now, and I love it. Much easier to schedule things, get agreements, etc - I've been in 5 piece bands it was like pulling teeth doing something as simple as booking a gig.

                  Plus splitting gig money 3 ways vs 5 is better too! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                    Sorry to hear it came to that. Band disagreements that get to the level where you kick someone out just f'n SUCKS!!!!

                    A four piece band is the ultimate to me, leads without rhythm backing it up aren't that exciting to me. Some did it wonderfully though... Go show 'em Matt!!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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                    • #11
                      Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                      Hey, Matt...what's your band?

                      Where did you guys play? Can't recall if I ever hearing about your band playing out in the Cuse.

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                      • #12
                        Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                        Well, IMO, when you mentioned your issues with the guy before I figured that was rather inevitable. Compromise is a good thing but constant butting heads, not so. Its easy to be a stick in the mud if you think you are right and want to have an edge about you but it isn't very effective when you are pissing everyone else off. If he would have flexed a little and shown a little effort towards coopoerative collaboration, I think he would have fared better.

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                        • #13
                          Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                          Sometimes it's hard to do what's best for the band. Sounds like you made the right decision. I prefer 2 guitars myself for many of the same reasons txcharvel mentions. Good luck with whatever you do next.

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                            Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

                            Jeez, Matt, was this guy's name Marvin Talley? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                            My old bassist was like that - guy never heard an Iron Maiden song in his life but when he wrote one with a harmonized intro and a galloping beat, he actually questioned my refinement of it [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
                            And then had the nerve to say he wrote the drums as well, expecting the drummer (with about 20 years experience to his, oh, maybe 5) to follow his direction [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                            And I agree that whatever you bring into a band is open for individual interpretation and rearranging to fit the band. I haven't met anyone who was such a Musical God that everything they wrote was perfect [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                            And the Judas Priest thing.... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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                              Re: So we kicked our guitar player out....

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                              Hey, Matt...what's your band?

                              Where did you guys play? Can't recall if I ever hearing about your band playing out in the Cuse.

                              [/ QUOTE ]

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