Band Manager Admits.....

[fett]

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All someone had to do was look at the surroundings. The owners have the real resonsibility to operate in a safe manner. The manager should have had enough brains to know that pyros in such a cramped low ceiling place could cause a problem. If the band had a history of using pyros, the band manager would have the final say as to use them or not. He decided to set them off. Blame? 70% club owners. 30% band manager. Liability yes. Jail time? I just don't know. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Spaceace]

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I live 10 minutes from the club and have a friend who was badly burned in the fire.He still has trouble to this day because he cant seem to keep weight off and skin graphs do not grow so when he gains weight his graphs tear and he is right back in there.They have given him meds for his thyroid and the kid eats like a bird now but he is just prone to being heavy.That being said I believe this guy should take some blame however he may be taking to much. The club was reallyyyy tiny and the owners took the pool tables out and sold 200 tickets way over occupency.In fact he ran out of tickets and started handing out his business cards with hand written passes on them so he could keep stuffing them in there.So I think they should really get crushed to me they are most to blame.However there is someone who nationally is not being mentioned but around here people are kind of shaking their heads.And that is the city fire marshal who gave them a passing inspection not a month before.With all that flammable padding on the walls ...covered in flammable glue and glitter.He was mentioned in the news for about two days after the fire then that all went away so I am not sure what happened there.But no amount of money is going to make up for what this guy has been through they pulled his body out of the doorway with several dead on top of him.I do not think he will ever overcome the mental trauma let alone the physical hell.

[Badseed]

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That is so horrible, i cant even imagine.

The fire marshall has political friends who will do thier best tokeep his ass out of trouble.

The station fund has only received $500K to date.It pisses me off when our Celebrities send millions to Tsunami victims, yet barely help Our fellow rockers out.Thats backwards to me, help your own before helping outside the U.S........but thats a different thread.

[hgsmith]

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I didn’t know anything about the Fire Marshall. You’d think the state prosecutor would go after him. If not, looks like he would be liable in a civil suite.

I imagine the club owners are next-in-line for their responsibility in this tragedy.

Really a sad story, I can see myself going to a club to see one of my favorite bands of the 80’s not knowing I could potentially lose my life
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[mm2002]

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It was an accident.

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right. that's why they're not being charged with murder. they're being charged with 100 counts of "you killed someone you dumb careless mother fucker".


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The problem with the judicial system is that when people get hurt or killed we HAVE to blame somebody.

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that's because there *are* people that are responsible for this.


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In a court of law there are no accidents. I wonder how many of those folks were brought back to life by dragging the poor band manager and club owners through all this shit? Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

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so what do you suggest? let these fucktards go unpunished? their carelessness caused 100 people to die. just because they didn't act with malice doesn't mean they should not be punished.

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I can definitely see your points, but I just don't know. I think it's just human error (which we are all guilty of!). Beyond that, who should take the blame? Was it carelessness? Poor planning? Stupidity?......or maybe all of the above? Was it murder?...No. Bottom line is that is was an accident. Yes, there were things that could have been done to avoid it, but the borrom line is those things weren't done. Evidentally the people in charge figured it was a safe gamble. Too bad it wasn't.

[hippietim]

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I didn’t know anything about the Fire Marshall.

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[hgsmith]

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I didn’t know anything about the Fire Marshall.

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is this your new haircut? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Deneb]

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Unless the band manager knew something that I don't know (I didn't follow the case through and through) I don't think it's his fault.

Think about this for a second. Your band is going to play, you boss asks the bar if you can use your pyro. They say yes. You do, and because they fucked up in the sound proofing foam, your pyro ignites. It kills a shit load of people. So is it the band managers fault, he was told he could set off the pyro? I don't think so.

HOWEVER< this is SOLEY based off of my understanding, that he was told he could have the pyro. If they said no, then it's his fault. I'm not sticking up for anyone, so I don't want anyone to think that.

[hippietim]

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sorry deneb, but that doesn't wash with me. we all saw what that place looked like - it was dinky. presumably the band manager had seen how their pyro shoots off once or twice before. it doesn't take much common sense at all to figure out that bad shit happens if you shoot flame into the ceiling. and there is no way he didn't know that their pyro was gonna hit the ceiling.

[Shawn Lutz]

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There are other people who are responsible as well and I believe they should pay the price. The simple fact of the matter is if they had gotten proper approval from the city and fire marshal to do pyro in that club BEFORE doing it then it would be different -- they knew damn well that they didn't, hence the prison bitch sentence.

This is no fault of our judicial system. Its a clear case of rock and rollers being inept when it comes to the business and legal side of things. There is a lot more to it than booking gigs, contracts and counting the pocket change for the gigs.

Will this bring back anyone who died as a result? Hell no but it will make people think twice about making the same mistake. Yes it was an accident but it certainly was preventable if they followed the laws established in the first place.

[Jack Napalm]

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I think we have all been in clubs like this to know that Pyro isn't such a good idea. Sure, it'x exciting but if they truly were licensed to by using pyro then they sure as hell should have known not to use it.

[VulfgangPfuck]

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Just goes to prove the justice system in this country still sucks...

My opinion is, there will be no justice for the 100 that dies, and the rest that were injured... Seriously or otherwise. This is a slap on the wrist. I believe more than just the band manager was at fault here. He, for lighting the pyro, and the club owners for breaking fire codes with that foam that was like gasoline! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[Shawn Lutz]

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WTF? I for the life of me cannot understandy why people blame the judical system in this one? Did the judicial system not not seek proper approval from the fire marshal to do pyrp? Did the justice system do pyro that killed a hundred people? Fuck no, but the justice system will make sure people think twice before doing something as fuckin stupid as doing pyro ins small ass club like that.

[Badseed]

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When Lynch Mob toured that year, they had candleabra's with light bulbs instead of candles.George said that most clubs wouldnt let them use that in fear of the same incident happening at thier club.Lessons were learned the hard way.

[hippietim]

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WTF? I for the life of me cannot understandy why people blame the judical system in this one? Did the judicial system not not seek proper approval from the fire marshal to do pyrp? Did the justice system do pyro that killed a hundred people? Fuck no, but the justice system will make sure people think twice before doing something as fuckin stupid as doing pyro ins small ass club like that.

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right on. well said.