Opeth

[sevser]

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I can see how some don’t like the death vocal style and even find it amusing but, it does fit in with the style and aggression for the most part...(The good Death bands) and you even start to understand what they are saying after a while...

To compare them to rap musically...C'mon. I'm hardcore Death metal fan and I have studied music theory for 24 years...Death metal artist have done more to push the boundaries of music than any rap band and most death metal fans are qualified to say so.

When I first heard Chuck Schuldiner of Death…

"I don't mean to dwell...but, I can't help myself...when I feel the vibe and taste a memory...of a time in life when years seemed to stand still..." (Symbolic)

I knew there was a point to this abrasive aggressive style...This was a lyric full of anger at the loss of innocence...Deeper than any...Bling bling rap crap I have ever heard.

[ApeDosMil]

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I guess you have to make a connection with that type of vocal style. I can't.
Its ashame too.. because I like the music.
I went to see Shadows Fall and the music was killer. The playing was killer. The show was killer. The vocals made me want to jump up onstage and deck the lead singer. Good thing Judas Priest was the headliner. Halford made me forget about Shadows Fall with his first word.
Call me old fashioned but I think that a singer should be required to actually sing once in a while.
The guy from Mudvayne sings. Show does the guy from Killswitch Engage and they still scream a bunch.
I guess death metal is different.
Bottom line.. if death metal requires that kind of vocal style its not for me. Damn them though for writing good songs with killer riffs.


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Seems you didn't listen to very much of it or you would have heard that the singer is actually a good singer in his own right. The vocals are not always cookie. Depends on the album the quantity. But the most recent album has alot of clean singing. And the acoustic album (not really acoustic) has all clean singing. So I don't know what cd you listened to but if you only listened to one track and tossed it out the window well I'd say shame on you.

I don't like cookie vocals, I have never liked cookie vocals yet I like Opeth and I love Orphaned Land. Because they both utilized alot of clean singing (Orphaned Land moreso) and both are fantastic musicians. For me vocals are only one piece of the music, they don't make or break a band for me. If anything they are one of the least important parts. The music comes first and the vocals are just a small part of that.

Point is if you like Killswitch I would think you would like Opeth. My guess is either you heard an early album where they were more straight up death or listened to the first track on of their more progressive cds that had no clean vocal sections and just decided based on that you didn't like it. If its the former I understand if its the latter then well..

Check out Orphaned Land.They mix clean and growl vocals better than any band in existance. They aren't as low as Opeth (in terms of the growling).

Though I think this whole DLR line of discussion is ridiculous I will say this. DLR was a charismatic frontman but he was a pretty crappy singer. You can defend him all you want but defense of him because he is charismatic is no different than people defending death metal singers for "keeping with the style of their music".

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The kid on American Idol did it as a joke, and he sang a punkish song with a crappy inversed scream to make it more annoying.


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I'm pretty sure he was serious (not about getting through but about his singing). That type of music is called Screamo from what I understand (Screaming + Emo=Screamo?).

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its Screamo, but he was not serious, from the tone of his voice and sarcasm you can totally tell hes joking. Even at the end, he said "I'm too hardcore for you guys"

[RacerX]

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I like the music. I just can't handle the vocals.
The music certainly is interesting though. Maybe I have to listen to this stuff more to get a feel for it.

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There ya go. And you guys that make fun of the vocals? You are painting all of death metal with that brush and it's not fair. It's not all "cookie", you need to expand your horizons. I have to agree, I just don't get the Ruur Arrrr stuff, or the grunting pig squeals of the really extreme stuff. But DM vocals are quite varied, ie right now I'm listening to Naglfar (actually that's black metal), very extreme but still understandable.

JG, also try Opeth's Still Life.

[Mordor]

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Still Life is their best album imo

[Endrik]

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And since you brought up the rhythm section. That's a joke. Opeths rhythm section puts those guys to shame

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they do??? how? rhythm section is about dynamics, rhythm and groov not chops, any advanced producer would choose Alex and Mike over the Opeth guys to play the rhythm for a good band with great songs.

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And what cracks me up is the hard core metal guys that say Rap isn't music. Bwhahahaha...

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[sevser]

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"And what cracks me up is the hard core metal guys that say Rap isn't music. Bwhahahaha..."

Ya know, like it or not...Each to their own, I respect that but to honestly compare bands like Death, Cannibal Corpse, Opeth and the like to rap, musically?!?!

Okay...maybe you are just having some fun...Like [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

But, if you are being serious than you my friends either have not listened to any of these bands or you have almost no musical knowledge at all...

My Daughters who listen to pop music even comment on the melodic complexity and diversity of these bands...And sing along to the melodies.

Of all the Metal rhythm sections to pick on and you pick on Martin Lopez & Martin Mendez of Opeth. Probably THE most diverse rhythm section period. Both those guys are known for going from groovy, jazz like playing into full mechanized metal and back like no one else.

k..Just humor us by listening to one of the recomended songs...I'll evn help you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHA059T8f_E&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNVoC_xig8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaNDnby-XB0&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2rTJFDzVr0&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRBUoukfVE&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HjXeSS2Ko&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnbeMsZXJDA&search=opeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdoMvfe7xRU&search=opeth

[sevser]

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Oh...and some Cannibal Corpse for fun...Hold on to your ass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGliq...nibal%20corpse
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[Endrik]

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listen Dave, I started listening to Death metal when I was 14-15 years old. I know damn well what I'm talkin' about. I've never said that the players are bad, there are just better ones.
Yeah Opeth rhythm section dudes can play, but do you know why all the producers like Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx more than some super complex players?
It's the dynamics, it's the thing you can't learn in the school. Look at Tommy Lee, self thought rocker, not the best chops, but he is one of the heaviest hitting drummers in the biz and his hits are all almost perfectly equal. This is VERY important thing in a rock band. And also he has the abilty to play absolutely the perfect rhythm track wich fits to the song perfectly. He plays FOR THE SONG better than some berklee dude. Same thing with Alex Van Halen. You can learn the chops and stuff but making the rhythm section tight as anal sex is something you are born with.

[Endrik]

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Of all the Metal rhythm sections to pick on and you pick on Martin Lopez & Martin Mendez of Opeth. Probably THE most diverse rhythm section period. Both those guys are known for going from groovy, jazz like playing into full mechanized l evn help you.

[/ QUOTE ] I don't know them personally but their names are Latin, well I'm guessing they started as latin music and jazz players wich is bazillion times harder than to play metal.
The most diveres? There are definetly more diverse guys who have played in metal bands. You know Vinnie Colaiuta, one of the most legendary drummers, an old fart who can still kick Portnoy's and Donati's ass. He is primaly a jazz, prog and pop player but he thought it's cool to do something else and played for Megedeth, he has done more session work than any other drummer so he had no problem playing 100% what Mustaine wanted.

[Inearthed]

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If you don't like the extreme vocals then don't listen to it. The music is being created for a select group of people and not for the common listener. I'm sure when you guys were growing up and listening to music that was extreme at the time people reacted in the same fashion.

There are plenty of newer metal bands out there that are utilizing singing. And if you'd like to listen to some I'm sure plenty of the JCFers can make a couple recommendations. Bands falling into the genre of "Power Metal" are pretty much the place to start.


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So bands who don't sing well aren't real bands in my book, because they miss the most important element of the band.

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There must not be a lot of real bands out there! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] How close minded you are.

[Endrik]

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who is close minded?
sorry but I actually listen something other than metal too.
This is so typical, when I say that I hate dick-in-the- thorat vocals bands then I'm close minded but those who say that don't have any fucking clue about music wich is not metal.

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who is close minded?
sorry but I actually listen something other than metal too.
This is so typical, when I say that I hate dick-in-the- thorat vocals bands then I'm close minded but those who say that don't have any fucking clue about music wich is not metal.

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Actually, I wasn't even referring to the dick-in-the-throat bands. There are plenty bands that had didn't have the best vocalists out there. Look at Bob Dylan, he definitely wasn't an awesome singer. Or even Van Halen as people have admitted above. You're just full of generalizations which is why I just couldn't resist quoting that little section. Perhaps close minded was a bit harsh, I'll give you that much.

I, too, listen to all styles of music. I only shy away from dance music (I don't dance) and that "noisecore" (or whatever it is called) genre that is really loud processed noises.

[Endrik]

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hey it's ok, it's just I don't like those horrible voices, it's a matter of taste. I like some weird experimental artists whos music is full of atonal crap, soundscapes etc. I don't really concider them as "real" bands either, just some cool shit to satisfy my weird needs.

[RacerX]

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[sing in Six Feet Under style]

Greasy Grimy Gopher Guts
Chopped up monkey butts
Insulated toilet seats
Two fried eyeballs
Rolling down the muddy streets
That's what Endrik's made of!

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Hahaha, where the hell did that come from?

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