Gross!!

[1trussell]

Perhaps I should have emphasized the word "lot" in the first sentence. I'm not saying that there is no research being done. But you would have to agree that there are nowhere near the numbers compared to tradtional medical research. Either way, kudos to Harvard.

[SeventhSon]

Perhaps I should have emphasized the word "lot" in the first sentence. I'm not saying that there is no research being done. But you would have to agree that there are nowhere near the numbers compared to tradtional medical research. Either way, kudos to Harvard.

I hear you T. I was mainly commenting on some people's posts that alternative therapies have no legitimacy. It's not going to be long when the drug companies lose their legitimacy.

Hey sheep! Guess who funds the FDA (responsible for approving new drugs for both their efficacy and safety)? Yes, in a massive conflict of interest, the drug companies! University studies (yes, Ivy League) show that recent drugs that have been approved are neither effective nor safe. Yet, they are being marketed to you in huge ad campaigns, and many of your doctors are being paid off to prescribe them to you.

[fr0sty]

I hear you T. I was mainly commenting on some people's posts that alternative therapies have no legitimacy.

Where's the "beating a dead horse" smiley? I don't consider them legitimate until they complete proper studies that show the efficacy (yea! Love that word!) of their treatments.

[MBreinin]

I hear you T. I was mainly commenting on some people's posts that alternative therapies have no legitimacy. It's not going to be long when the drug companies lose their legitimacy.

Hey sheep! Guess who funds the FDA (responsible for approving new drugs for both their efficacy and safety)? Yes, in a massive conflict of interest, the drug companies! University studies (yes, Ivy League) show that recent drugs that have been approved are neither effective nor safe. Yet, they are being marketed to you in huge ad campaigns, and many of your doctors are being paid off to prescribe them to you.

Not only do they fund the FDA, but they conduct 90% of all clinical trials themselves. The FDA does not conduct any clinical trials, and often will attempt to prevent its own experts from publishing any journal article that criticizes any approved drug. The FDA "relies" on drug companies to provide honest safety and efficacy data, and in all stages of both drug and label approval there is a negotiation process with the drug companies attempting to bury any and all safety data deep in the label. Did you know that the cardiovascular risks of Vioxx were buried in the precautions part of the label insert? That is the third tier of a very long, finely printed fold out insert. Not on the bottle, not on the box...not even in the warnings section of the insert...buried in the precautions. Because that is where MERCK wanted it and fought two hard years for that label, while tens of thousands of people suffered CV events.

Merck knew before Vioxx was even initially formulated that its mechanism posed SERIOUS risks for cardiovascular events. Early trials proved this, but they buried it...fed the FDA a song and dance and kept cranking it out to the tune of over a billion a year in sales. Why? Cash. Useless drug, huge profit.

Why do you honestly think cancer has not been cured? AIDS? Because TREATMENT of these diseases far exceeds any profit you could derive from curing them....that is why.

Mike

[SeventhSon]

Where's the "beating a dead horse" smiley? I don't consider them legitimate until they complete proper studies that show the efficacy (yea! Love that word!) of their treatments.

OK, enjoy your "legitimate" drugs lol...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...etc/dozen.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../notebook.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../prescription/

Or consider what a 2 time nobel prize winner has to say...

http://members.aol.com/realmedia/pauling.html

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling

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This one?

Yes, yes!!! Hahahaha..

"There goes another 3 foot long brown snake into the bowl!"
"Wonderful honey!"
"Don't hug me so tightly! Oopps, there goes another footer."
"You may think the smell is so terrible my eyes are watering, but I'm actually crying out of pure joy!"
"FUCK YEAH DROPPIN' FUCKIN' LOADS" (bonus points if you get this reference)

[fr0sty]

I think we agree more than I am able to explain via online posts My statements about alternatives not being legitimate in my eyes until they do proper double bind studies does not imply that all fda approved drugs are perfect.

Herbal remedies are good example. They are able to avoid the more strict requiremtns of fda approval by not making any medical claims. It's too bad the system is somewhat stacked against those potential medicines.

This link explains my beliefs more clearly than I care to type out

http://skepdic.com/althelth.html

The fda and established medical systems are imperfect and stained by corruption and that is a sad thing. But, just thowing away the method used to determine if something actual works or not (scientific method) is the wrong path in my opinion.

OK, enjoy your "legitimate" drugs lol...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...etc/dozen.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../notebook.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../prescription/

Or consider what a 2 time nobel prize winner has to say...

http://members.aol.com/realmedia/pauling.html

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling

[MBreinin]

I think we agree more than I am able to explain via online posts My statements about alternatives not being legitimate in my eyes until they do proper double bind studies does not imply that all fda approved drugs are perfect.

Herbal remedies are good example. They are able to avoid the more strict requiremtns of fda approval by not making any medical claims. It's too bad the system is somewhat stacked against those potential medicines.

This link explains my beliefs more clearly than I care to type out

http://skepdic.com/althelth.html

The fda and established medical systems are imperfect and stained by corruption and that is a sad thing. But, just thowing away the method used to determine if something actual works or not (scientific method) is the wrong path in my opinion.

Well, in the Colonix package insert they cite several double blind, placebo controlled clinical trials that have proven the efficacy of the ingredients.

What really are we trying to "cure" here? I am trying to flush out some parasites that I may or may not have, and I am trying to take some serious dumps. I am not looking for anything substantial...except dump quantity!

Mike

[fr0sty]

All I really want are some nasty ass pictures. Hey, how about some microscopic shots of any red wigglers you crap out too!

[fr0sty]

I don't think there is any doubt that this shit provokes some massive dumps.

Well, in the Colonix package insert they cite several double blind, placebo controlled clinical trials that have proven the efficacy of the ingredients.

What really are we trying to "cure" here? I am trying to flush out some parasites that I may or may not have, and I am trying to take some serious dumps. I am not looking for anything substantial...except dump quantity!

Mike

[Seventh Avenged]

i can't believe i read this thread while eating my crunch wrap supreme.

[RacerX]

Mike, if you're not "diggin" how do you know the dumps are 3 feet long? Guesstimate?

[RobRR]

i can't believe i read this thread while eating my crunch wrap supreme.

Those things rock!

[SeventhSon]

I think we agree more than I am able to explain via online posts My statements about alternatives not being legitimate in my eyes until they do proper double bind studies does not imply that all fda approved drugs are perfect.

Herbal remedies are good example. They are able to avoid the more strict requiremtns of fda approval by not making any medical claims. It's too bad the system is somewhat stacked against those potential medicines.

This link explains my beliefs more clearly than I care to type out

http://skepdic.com/althelth.html

The fda and established medical systems are imperfect and stained by corruption and that is a sad thing. But, just thowing away the method used to determine if something actual works or not (scientific method) is the wrong path in my opinion.

Frosty, it's all good bro. No one disagrees on the scientific method. My point is that Linus Pauling is the only person in the world to have won 2 nobel prizes. I think he knows a little about the scientific method and conducting proper clinical trials. I think Harvard Medical school knows a little something about conducting clinical trials as well.

I believe that a lot of the skeptical rhetoric against alternative therapies should be treated with, er, skepticism because of who's funding the status quo (and the amount of money at stake). I just don't believe that some set of artificially invented molecules that a chemist cooks in a test tube can really be good for you if you are injesting it all the freakin time. Finally, I don't agree with the attitude of getting an Rx for whatever ails you. High cholesterol? Friggin lay off the Big Macs, dude. High blood pressure? Exercise and lose weight. Don't start taking prescription drugs (switch to fast talking disclaimer voice) which may cause nausea, diahrrea, heart palpitations, bleeding rectums, etc.

Anyway, I'm on day 3 of the regimen. I had a bender last night, so I've been having the runs all morning. Amazingly, I remembered to make the tea before I crashed last night. I see lots of tiny seed like things in my runs that a paranoid person might mistake for parasite eggs, but I'm pretty sure they're remnants from the raspberries that I'm mixing into my shake in the morning.

I will tell you this. I am sleeping much more soundly through the night. But no noticeable boost in energy.

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I think we need a post Cinco De Mayo update from our fiber eating folk.