WOW!!! A dream come true??

[rjohnstone]

Look, all I'm saying is you think that the HHOS would reduce our dependency on fossil fuels. No it doesn't, it simply shifts the dependency from oil (to create gasoline) to a different fossil fuel, mainly coal and natural gas. Like I said, the main component to create HHOS from water is electricity, and to create electricity, you still have to use fossil fuels. The fossil fuel dependency simply gets shifted from oil to coal/natural gas.

Ever heard of hydro-electric generating stations or the big one that's all over the news... nuclear generated electricity.
You don't "need" to burn fossil fuels to generate electricity.

[texasfury]

You're talking about creating HHOS onboard, instead of buying it ready to use? Oh boy. You forget the MASSIVE amount of electricity required to convert water into HHOS, more than a mere onboard alternator can generate. To compare pushing a woofer and doing water electrolysis is to shown an extreme lack of knowledge of the substantial amounts of electricity required to split water molecules.

[texasfury]

There's only so many places for hydroelectric stations. Nuclear is good, but why waste electricity created by nuclear to convert water into HHOS? It would be more efficient to drive electrical powered cars.

I'm all for alternative energy sources. But you guys think that this is the magic bullet.

[LouSiffer]

You're talking about creating HHOS onboard, instead of buying it ready to use? Oh boy. You forget the MASSIVE amount of electricity required to convert water into HHOS, more than a mere onboard alternator can generate. To compare pushing a woofer and doing water electrolysis is to shown an extreme lack of knowledge of the substantial amounts of electricity required to split water molecules.

Well, his application only requires 220 volts.....AGAIN, 220 VOLTS!!!!
He is proving it right there on video. Sure, you could say its a hoax and that he really has his own power station or nuclear reactor in his back yard doing the converting , but, I seriously doubt it.-Lou

[texasfury]

220 volts to ignite the already made HHOS. And that's just a torch, he's not powering some 4000 pound behemoth. He's not creating HHOS on site in the bottle, he's using it already made. Creating the HHOS is what requires the massive amount of electricty.

[rjohnstone]

You're talking about creating HHOS onboard, instead of buying it ready to use? Oh boy. You forget the MASSIVE amount of electricity required to convert water into HHOS, more than a mere onboard alternator can generate. To compare pushing a woofer and doing water electrolysis is to shown an extreme lack of knowledge of the substantial amounts of electricity required to split water molecules.

The guys little machine is plugged into a 220 wall outlet... you can generate 220 with a HD alternator and an AC invertor.
And yes, I do understand how electrolysis works.
All models presented by oil companies try to defeat it by showing how much money and electricity it would cost to generate hydrogen in amounts used to supply a refueling station or storage depot.
With a self contained unit, you only need to generate enough hydrogen to keep a small engine running. Very big difference.

[rjohnstone]

220 volts to ignite the already made HHOS. And that's just a torch, he's not powering some 4000 pound behemoth. He's not creating HHOS on site in the bottle, he's using it already made. Creating the HHOS is what requires the massive amount of electricty.

He was making the HHOS gas in the machine... didn't you see him adding water to it?
He did not fill the machine with processed hydrogen gas... he filled it with water.

[Davey]

well... you wouldnt need more than a car battery once the thing is installed..

if you go that far, add some reverse electro motors onto the axis (maybe 4 of em.. one at each wheel) to produce electricity while the car is running.



depends on how the HHOS works.. it might only need 220v for its operation and the splitting is done internaly at diferent voltages. though i am wondering how much current it draws.

it would substantialy decrease the usage of petrol. not totaly diminish it, since i cant imagine those 100 ton caterpillar trucks running on water in the near future, but for the normal car. definately.

though, you wont see this in production since the people drawing money from the petrol sales wont allow it

[LouSiffer]

The HHOS is being converted in the welder.....he simply adds water and 220 volts. He has fitted 2 vehicles with this setup. He is building a Hummer with this setup for the Pentagon. His vehicles have passed all safety precautions with the DOT.

Fury,maybe you are missing the point here. Yes, it is hydrogen. His method is VERY important for 2 reasons:

1: His hydrogen releases 3.1 times more energy than conventional hydrogen.

2: Most importantly, his method does not require these huge amounts of electricity that traditional methods require PLUS it is done in a " container " with a process that is small enough to be mounted in an automobile.-Lou

[texasfury]

I'd love to be proved wrong, I have no problem eating crow. Buy an HHOS generating unit and get back to me on your results.

[LouSiffer]

if you go that far, add some reverse electro motors onto the axis (maybe 4 of em.. one at each wheel) to produce electricity while the car is running.



depends on how the HHOS works.. it might only need 220v for its operation and the splitting is done internaly at diferent voltages. though i am wondering how much current it draws.

it would substantialy decrease the usage of petrol. not totaly diminish it, since i cant imagine those 100 ton caterpillar trucks running on water in the near future, but for the normal car. definately.

though, you wont see this in production since the people drawing money from the petrol sales wont allow it

Davey, at his site, this was stated regarding your points: ".... while the heavy duty alternator used an extra 4 horsepower, due to the fact that our hydrogen releases more energy, we actually seen a 17 horsepower gain..." -Lou

[rjohnstone]

Those "100 ton" caterpiller trucks technicaly run on electricity.
They use a gasoline/diesel engine to run a generator which then powers the electric drive motors in each wheel.

[LouSiffer]

Those "100 ton" caterpiller trucks run on electricity.
They use a gasoline/diesel engine to run a generator which then powers the electric drive motors in each wheel.

Beat me to it. And trains too. Yup, electric motors generate ALOT more torque than even diesel engines do. -Lou

[texasfury]

I believe it, rjohnstone. Gasoline has a tremendous amount of energy potential for electrical productions.

I'm still trying to find independent analysis of HHOS usage. Someone give me a link. Despite all that's been said in this thread, the upshot of this company is that they've suposedly found a way to easily create hydrogen.

[atomic charvel guy]

Lou,
you see the good looking girls on the page of the link? They are in full production in Huntington Beach, Ca. where I live. they pump them out each week by the thousands so that's at least in full swing.