Ethics Question...

[IrfaanSE801]

It's gonna be an interesting first week

[horns666]

keep us posted how things go.

you'll be fine..

Bill

[RacerX]

Sonny: Hey, whaddya gonna do, nice college boy, eh? Didn't want to get mixed up in the Family business, huh? Now you wanna gun down a police captain. Why? Because he slapped ya in the face a little bit? Hah? What do you think this is the Army, where you shoot 'em a mile away? You've gotta get up close like this and - bada-BING! - you blow their brains all over your nice Ivy League suit. C'mere...
[kisses Michael's head]
Michael: Sonny...
Sonny: You're taking this very personal. Tom, this is business and this man is taking it very, very personal.

Michael: It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.

[horns666]

hmm, very nice Ron!

[Guyver1]

Companys rag on about loyalty from employee's but i rarely ever see companys being loyal to their employee's, they're only loyal when business and money require it, as soon as they need save money the loyalty card goes out the window.

Look after No.1 before ANYTHING else when it comes to work/money, As long as the new offer is a stable company with good advancement prospects then dont in any way feel any guilt!

The current company asked you back because they were 'desperate' and needed someone asap? Not your problem, you were gracious enough to fill the 'hole' but now your looking to better yourself.

go for it! imho, more money = a better quality of life for yourself and your loved ones... and possibly another Custom shop

Well, I was forced to return because the other 3 jobs I had in the works fell through for various reasons. I left the first time because I hated the place with a passion (I left them). Since then, it's had a major overhaul in management and employees for the better, and the enviroment is better. But I did such a great job that they called me back without me applying because they needed someone. I'll find out more about the job next week in terms of stability, but there is NO advancing in this company, and it would not be a company I would be proud to be with for long, no matter how much they would pay me (and I know it still wouldn't be much for what they would have me do). The new job it more money, and a bit easier on my back. Believe me man, money dosen't mean jack to me in most cases, but my current employer started me out at way less than I was making when I left, and there's no way I'm gonna be making that again there, and the new offer is more than what I was making when I left. A bit confusing, but as much as I like the people at this job, with no room for improvement, less pay and aching pains when I come home, I don't see a reason to stay. I just feel bad because the managers are very cool with me and everyone there knows and wants me to stay.

I actually won't say anything till I talk to these new guys, but it's just the situation itself that bothers me

[DonP]

Since you probably won't be able to go back again if you leave this time, I'd try to make damn sure the new place is right for you. Is there any way you can go in to the new place for a day to see what it's like, how the people are, etc?

[fett]

You did not go to them "Hat-in-Hand". They came to you. I would take that as a compliment and I can understand how you feel. However, you have already given numerous valid reasons why you are hesitant to go back. Your back being one of them. During the period that you are at your new 'old' job and the time when you may decide to take the new job, just play the game and don't let on you may leave. If you do decide to leave, give them two-weeks notice, if possible. It will look better in the future.

[YetAnotherOne]

Your soon-to-be-former employer screwed you salary-wise when they invited you back, that tells you all you need to know about where you stand with you current employer. You'll be the first one shown the door when the necessity of letting someone go arises. With that in mind the only questions I'd want answered are whether the current employer is someone you want to work for or might want to work for in the future or if the profession is one of those relatively small reputation-driven niches where screwing one employer can get you blacklisted in a whole region. Sound like the answer to both of those questions is no, so were I you I'd nail down the higher paying position and walk immediately.

[HuntinDoug]

Since you probably won't be able to go back again if you leave this time, I'd try to make damn sure the new place is right for you. Is there any way you can go in to the new place for a day to see what it's like, how the people are, etc?

+1

A few months ago I took a PT sales job with a local machine shop....We'll call it "Acme". Three days a week for retirement/insurance purposes. I went thru 4 interviews, each lasting 1 to 2 hours. The shop and I both wanted to be 100% sure we were suited for each other. In this process the boss told me he works closely with another local company (we'll call them "Company B"). He said "Company B" sends "Acme" a lot of subbed out work from a very large customer in the auto industry. We'll call them "Mitsubishi". He told me he promised the owner of "Company B" that he wouldn’t directly pursue any work coming from Mitsubishi.

We came to an agreement on money, vaca, Quota’s, ect. I really felt good about working there. Part of my salary was based on sales (yet they wouldn’t provided me with previous years sales info in the interview process due to "confidentiality").

My first 3 days were spent sifting thru paperwork left by the last sales rep. That process taught me things I didn’t learn in the interview. My quota for a 3-day week far exceeded the last rep's quota for a 5-day/60 hr. week. BTW- He was "let go" for not achieving the company's goals (sales quota's). I contacted the previous rep by phone, and learned things about the company that didn’t come out in the interview process. Everything he told me was backed up in the paperwork I found. Including the fact that he was fired the Monday after he landed a big contract, which contractually exempted Acme from paying him commissions from that sale.

The last straw for me was on my 3rd (and last) day. The head honcho came to me at the end of the day with his "plan of attack" for the next week. This started with me being the pawn that circumvents "Company B", by going straight to Mitsubishi.

First thing Monday morning I turned in my keys. If the boss would stab an employee, and another business owner in the back, he would certainly do it to me.... I'm not about to let that happen. I think they wanted me in place long enough to land the big contract before I realized the goals given to me were unobtainable. When I told him this face to face, he looked like a deer in the headlights. Then he got really pissed! Then, I was escorted to the door.

[RacerX]

Doug, next step: contact Company B?

[Outlander]

Be upfront with them and make them deal or not with you. Tell them about your more lucrative offer and it being easier on your back.They probably wont match the money or lessen your load but you will involve them in the decision making it easier to leave the door open if you need to come back later. Give them a 2 week notice before you leave, even your new employer would look favorably on this as they would like to have the same thing if you left them as this demonstrates a good work ethic and sense of responsability.

[El_Kabong]

I had a similar situation when I was a student around '88. The owner of the restaurant where I worked, juggled a bunch of scheduling to give me the times I wanted, bumping senior employees, as I suited the position more to his liking. An hour after his call, I was offered a summer job that paid $21.86 an hour, compared to the $7.80 I was making. It allowed me to be free of a part time job during school year. He was a little sad, but wished me well. His restaurant closed down 6 months later.

If I were in your position, I would first make sure the new employer had your social security number and had given you a schedule starting on a Monday and give the former employer a week and a bit to find someone new.

I would thank the current employer for inviting me back and tactfully disclose the caveat that I had been actively seeking work for some time and was just offered a positon that would allow me to do things for others in my life that I had on the back burner.

No reasonable person would be angry. They should be happy for you.

[IrfaanSE801]

Very quickly...3rd day on ths job and I just got home. The managers that dragged the place down are gone, my friends who are still there are now the guys in charge, I was welcomed back by everyone and I haven't a thing to complain about except the money. I'm gonna call the others guys back tomorrow, but all good news so far. Thanks to all of ya Gotta run.

- Irf -