So, what would your morals do?

[Rsmacker]

Mhalsey is spot-on too, make sure he isn't thinking of snogging a shotgun. You would look back and feel pretty bad if you missed the chance to stop him, and you'd never enjoy the watch, or it's monetary value, if it carried that "bad blood"

[fett]

It sounds the the stories about the soon to be EX-Wife selling the big bucks car for peanuts. If she knows the watch exists, and it was acquired while they were married, she will want half of it. A good lawyer will see to it. He is trying to hide assets. Once the dust settles and it stays hidden, he will want it back. Do yourself an favor and stay out of domestic desputes.

[Jack The Riffer]

Give him $50 and get a receipt. Then it's yours to do with as you please. Hold it or sell it. Holding it would be the right thing to do and the wife couldn't come after it if he sold it to you and you have a receipt.

[fett]

If the other side sees a sham sale it will be sniffed out. I am no lawyer, but I can't see how this will work. If she knows the watch exists...............

[GodOfRhythm]

Give him $50 and get a receipt. Then it's yours to do with as you please. Hold it or sell it. Holding it would be the right thing to do and the wife couldn't come after it if he sold it to you and you have a receipt.

I'm not too clear on US and/or Anglo/American jurisdiction on this side of contracts/agreements, but over here what you're saying would not be true.

We have a thing called 'Actio Pauliana' (stemming from Roman Law), which basically is a counter. They'd have to prove that he was purposefully decreasing his worth, in order to have as little as possible be confiscated/lost in a possible divorce settlement or debt situation.

Now selling a $12000 watch for $50 is proof enough in itself to prove he knew what he was doing and what for. (The great discrepancy in actual worth and actual selling price is sufficient as proof).

AND!!!!! Because it is a sale (with receipt) now, there will have to be proof of the fact that Kabong actually knew that the 'seller' had tis deceiptful purpose in mind, in order for them to be able to execute the Actio Pauliana on him. So in that regards your advice is pretty good, were it not for the hundreds of witnesses in this thread alone and of course common sense.

If it was merely a gift, they could 'reclaim' the watch (consider it still to be within the original owners goods and execute the divorce settlement upon it) without Kabong having to be 'in' on the entire thing/knowing about the divorce, etc...

Again that's over here, not sure how it's legislated over there, perhaps Rich (Lerx) could fill us/me in?

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At this point I think it might actually be best if you would return the watch. Seeing as the wife probably DOES know about the $12000 watch missing and now so do a heck of a lot of other people.

If he refuses that, go to your local bank and put it in a safe deposit box under his name, or something. I'd wash my hands and get out of this asap, even if he's a close/good friend.

[Jack The Riffer]

I was just giving an idea. I have no knowledge of the law. I was talking out of my ass.

[charvelguy]

Bury it in the back yard under a large rock on the 7th stroke of midnight during a full moon. Covering it up before the 12th stroke finishes its strike.

[jjw]

wear it on your cock

[El_Kabong]

So here's the story, as we discussed the situation last night. The watch was a display model from a trade show, bought by a gentleman who is an, ahem, businessman with wealth beyond what most of us will ever see. For people in specific, closed, business circles, the gentleman has extreme respect. Outside the business group, others feel very differently about him.

The watch had stayed in a bag of miscellaneous junk for almost a year, as his wife would have been in a rage if she knew my friend was spending time with this wealthy gentleman. So, he never wore it. Not that he had any desire to do so anyway.

My friend is the illegitimate, dirty secret of European royalty. He lived a hard life and has been on his own since he was 13. Material value was never a big thing to him. It's the things in daily, normal life that we take as a given that has rarely been a part of his life that he seeks.

He doesn't want to sell it to a shop, etc., because he doesn't wish to profit from the gift which was given as more of a power gesture, than a sincere offering. In a way, it would have concluded the original intent of the exchange. Knowing my friend, he probably looked the business man in the eye and stuffed it in his pocket, accepting it like one would accept a beer at a bar.

So, the watch is to be mine with the agreement that I never sell it. I could never sell it anyway. It would be obscene. The ironic thing is, even if I wanted to wear it out, I really cannot. The strap is too small and there are none to be had anywhere on the planet in 20mm. Yes, I could get a different strap, but I enjoy the irony of the situation. If one day, he should wish it returned, it will still be safely put away in a metal box.

Long after we are dust, the watch would still be ticking, had someone actually worn it to prime the mechanism.

[horns666]

My lil' brother just did 11 month in jail for fraud/criminal simulation for selling 5 fake Rolex watches from 1500- 2000 each..they looked like the real deal..

I got him off the hook of the first one he sold..a prosecutor called me and advised me that my bro sold a bogus watch to his good friend..so my bro made good on that , gave him back his money ..but put it right back in the paper...along with four more..

They looked VERY good..papers, box, the whole deal..got'em for about 100 bucks a pop off Ebay..

They all came back and bit him in the ass..every one!!

he just got out a week ago..and they just gave him three months probation..and he didn't have to make any restituition to the people he fucked over..wow that really showed him!!!...

So, he'll fuck up again..and go back to the joint. It's not "if"..it's only a matter of when..I told him that!

he knows not to come to me next time..fuggum.

There is much more to my bro's..life long drama that I won't get into..but fuggum..fuggum up the ass..

[jackson1]

El_Kabong, very odd story indeed. I'm puzzled as to why he gave you the watch... I know, you told the whole story, but still it doesn't make sense to me.

A gift is supposed to create joy and enrichen the receiver in some way. It is supposed to create a bond between two friends, especially gifts that come out of nowhere, like this one. Birthday and anniversary presents are another thing - more trivial if you like.

Yet, this present does not bring any joy as I read your story. He doesn't care about it and you can't own it or sell it and you won't use it. Wtf?

He's putting money in the bank. That's how I see it. That watch is bound to be sold, because it doesn't bring happiness nor good memories laying there cold in the box.

Or maybe my European way of thinking doesn't apply in Japan... who knows.

Anyways, good luck to your friend, Kabong!

[GodOfRhythm]

Then keeping it locked away would be the best way to do, I agree.

[horns666]

Then keeping it locked away would be the best way to do, I agree.

who my brother..

[GodOfRhythm]

who my brother..

Hehe Bill, no I meant the watch.

I hope your brother doesn't relapse into his old routine and doesn't get thrown back in. Perhapse you could 'gently' force him and be persuasive?

[horns666]

Hehe Bill, no I meant the watch.

I hope your brother doesn't relapse into his old routine and doesn't get thrown back in. Perhapse you could 'gently' force him and be persuasive?

I done that "gentle" stuff and also bitch slapped and choked him..ummm..both didn't work..he'll be goin' back..