This is troubling

[RacerX]

at the Pentagon Where are the impact holes they would have made,and where is what was left of them? Regardless of what happened,I don't think our beloved government is telling us everything. Tommy D.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[Shawn Lutz]

NTSB claims the TWA 747's middle fuel tank exploded from a spark in the center fuel tanks valve.....The nose broke off and the plane flew several miles after that. Ther is animations of this on the net...search for them.

The TWA flight in my mind does have some holes in it that could point to a conspiracy coverup of a shootdown by mistake.....I think if it was a terriost attack someone would have claimed responsibility

[MBreinin]

NTSB claims the TWA 747's middle fuel tank exploded from a spark in the center fuel tanks valve.....The nose broke off and the plane flew several miles after that. Ther is animations of this on the net...search for them.

The TWA flight in my mind does have some holes in it that could point to a conspiracy coverup of a shootdown by mistake.....I think if it was a terriost attack someone would have claimed responsibility

I've seen the animation and I have also seen and read expert reports that claim the NTSB's explanation is meritless. This was a coverup and there actually was, if I recall, some credit taken by a group for this action. The coverup was simple...if the American public knew there were terrorists shooting stingers at planes around JFK and LaGuardia it would be mass panic in the skies. We had to keep the planes flying, so it was buried. Not only was this flight taken down, but several pilots had reported failed attempts to take their planes down prior to this incident.

Mike

[hammer84]

I've seen the animation and I have also seen and read expert reports that claim the NTSB's explanation is meritless. This was a coverup and there actually was, if I recall, some credit taken by a group for this action. The coverup was simple...if the American public knew there were terrorists shooting stingers at planes around JFK and LaGuardia it would be mass panic in the skies. We had to keep the planes flying, so it was buried. Not only was this flight taken down, but several pilots had reported failed attempts to take their planes down prior to this incident.

Mike

Just FYI, it is referred to as flight 800 in most circles.

I was on duty that night @ TWA as a maintenance coordinator in our operations center. I took the phone call from JFK saying "we lost 800" I assumed the flight was cancelled due to a maintenance problem. When I ask what went wrong I was told " no , we lost it off radar". My heart sank ans I almost puked right there.

I spent the next 8-10 weeks or so researching maintenance records and flying back and forth to JFK to match wrekage to paper work. Not fun looking at seats knowing that someone had fell may thousand feet to their deaths.

I was an A&P mechanic before I had that job and I had been in the center fuel tank of that and many other 747s. Just to let you know there is little or no fuel carried in the center tank on that model of 747. The fuel that is carried in there is at the rear of the center section, not the front where the inital explosion occured.

[MBreinin]

So, Hammer..what is your take on 800 then? From your post I get the impression that you are not satisfied with the NTSB's explanation?

Mike

[Stinkbug]

The government needs to be kept in check by the people. That is what America is about. However, with that freedom comes responsibility. It seems the ones that complain the most about not getting their "freedom" have completely ignored their responsibility as US citizens.

These types of films are completely irresponsible. They are very quick to cite evidence (or create it) to fit thier political or financial agenda. However, if the same scrutiny was applied to their argument it falls apart. Generally, the common story is the most likely. It probably isn't 100% true, but I beleive it is much more accurate (and probable) than the conspiracies on the internet.

Certainly there are things going on that we don't know about. Given that we are well into 4th Generation Warfare, this is going to be more and more the standard. We are not fighting a country, we are fighting an extremist ideal. They will use our govt, morals, and laws against us. Since their objective is common they don't need a military structure to send orders. Thus, act somewhat autonomously and can operate within our country until they see the opportunity to take action.

This stuff was going on before Bush and it will go on after him, but I am amazed to see what people will forget to suit their political views. I have a friend at work that told me: the terrorists liked Clinton and that is why they never attacked the US while he was in office. The statement itself is troubling, but in fact there was a WTC bombing attempt during his presidency. We all need to think about what really makes sense and what is just bias. Try inserting your favorite politicians name in a "news" story instead of your most hated...see if that changes the way you interpret what your read.

[hammer84]

I'm not much a conspiracy guy. I don't think 800 was brought down on purpose by the govt.

YAO had a good point about keeping a terriost attack under wraps to 'protect' the country. Who was the prez in '96 btw ??


The NSTB likes to point to the fact that there is no inward damage on the plane. If a missle was unarmed and hit a plane it would make a pretty small hole going in and IMHO would think that the explosion comming out would cover up/ destroy the entry hole.

The Feds didn't let very many people close to the area in question for quite some time. Who know they may have just been trying to protect the evidence.

I was looking into being a crash investigator back then and a very high % of crashes can be pin pointed. It is almost errie how the crash gives up the clues. Flight 800 was not so giving.

I don't really have a strong opinion, mostly due to how close I was to the accident. This may sound goofy but everytime I think about flight 800 I can't get the thought out of my head of all those people, alive free falling to their deaths.

[hammer84]

Well, Bush is a dumbass and the Antichrist. But, he just isn't smart enough to have pulled off 9/11.

Say what you will, but the Antichist's war on terror may have saved some of your loved ones on a future flight from a sports drink IED.

[Shawn Lutz]

This may sound goofy but everytime I think about flight 800 I can't get the thought out of my head of all those people, alive free falling to their deaths.

me either, if they were not unconscious it was long time before impact

[charvelguy]

Clinton was '96 unless your being fatuous. Bush isn't the antichrist..he's more a day late a dollar short with a silver spoon in his mouth and oil comin out of his ears kinda guy.

I used to think about those people free faillin too...pets too. I think once they would have been above 10,000 ft and exposed they would be unconscious, cold and thin air plus velocity in descent likely would have knocked them out.

[Wayniac]

Just FYI, it is referred to as flight 800 in most circles.


I was an A&P mechanic before I had that job and I had been in the center fuel tank of that and many other 747s. Just to let you know there is little or no fuel carried in the center tank on that model of 747. The fuel that is carried in there is at the rear of the center section, not the front where the inital explosion occured.

That would make sense as far as easier ignition then wouldn't it... fumes are easier to get going than Jet A (basically high grade kerosene)
I just wasn't too keen on the reconstruction/animation...
Sucks about the people that were in the seats, same as all the 9-11 flights, Lockerbie, etc....

[St.James]

Anti-Christ ? How can probably one of the more religious Presidents we have had be the Anti-christ ?

I've been doing a bit of reading on the Bush family lately and the term "Anti-Christ" isn't that far off the mark.

I do not in anyway factor in his religion because everything he's done goes against any Christian belief.

Some have asked how could he have had anything to do with the planning of 911... Ok, here's one angle. He comes from a multi billion dollar family who has very close ties to the Saudi's, the Bin Laden's actually, and don't forget his daddy was president before him not to mention the CIA director during the Kennedy Administration... That is a combination that can most definitely make things happen!

The Anti-Christ is said to rise through politics. There's not just one Anti-Christ. Satan has many faces. Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin... Bush. All political leaders, all responsible for war and all responsible for death and destruction.

I don't pay much attention to all these conspiracy sites, but I do pay attention to the speeches and conferences given since 911. Once the war in Iraq started people kept asking Bush about Bin Laden and at one point Bush said, "I don't know where he is and frankly I'm not concerned with him..." Of course not and no one is even looking for him and never was. There's satellites in space that can zoom in and read the face of a watch on a crowded street. I looked up satallite imaging on the net, found my address and could see everything in my clearly in my neighborhood and the government wants me to to believe they can't find a 7 foot asshole in the desert... Bullshit!

The FBI and CIA both agreed that Saddam would have to be dealt with at some point, but now isn't the right for it because he poses no threat to America's national security. So why the war in Iraq? It started off as WMD's. Once it was obvious there's nothing to be found they changed it to terrorism. No one really bought that bullshit because Iraq didn't attack the US. So then they changed it to liberation, "Operation Iraqi Freedom". The problem is the Iraqi people never asked for our liberation and oppose us being there so much their government has been asking the US to leave for a long time now.

So do I think Dubya had anything to with the planning of the trade tower attacks? No, perhaps not directly, but I know he at very least had knowledge of it because the FBI and CIA both have said he knew along with his buddy John Ashcroft.

I think this whole thing has been in the works for a good long while now. Probably since Bush Sr. was in office. But I not in any way believe things happened even remotely close to what the government wants us to believe.

[markb]

You found an anonymous weenie out there with a conspiracy theory??? On the internet???? Get out of town!!!! I don't believe it!!!

[hammer84]

Some have asked how could he have had anything to do with the planning of 911... Ok, here's one angle. He comes from a multi billion dollar family who has very close ties to the Saudi's, the Bin Laden's actually, and don't forget his daddy was president before him not to mention the CIA director during the Kennedy Administration... That is a combination that can most definitely make things happen!

Look, Michael Moore is posting on our board !!!!!!

[jjw]

I will say that as a trained Rv'er i find it amazing that the american and brit Rv'rs havnt pin pointed where Bin is?I havnt done it for over 10 years now but i know for a fact that we could find out where he is-if we were told too

the bush family has a bad reputation hammer-i am not religious but St james isnt too far off the mark mate