This is troubling

[Shawn]

Well Shawn, could you give me some secret frequencies used for high-volume confidential data transfers between important government institutions? There's a lot more than a few dozen people that know about it. ((Just in jist, nothing personal)).

Errr.........Yeah.

There's not much difference in people keeping secret about frequencies for data transmissions and missiles being strapped to airliners or terorrists in shrimp boats shooting down airliners in New York.

Oh wait, keeping the first secret, yours, would be their JOB and important to national safety and security, the other would be the covering up of mass murder of innocent lives and detrimental to the common good.

No difference there...I see your point.

I can almost hear the conversation..

Spy #1 --- "Hey, you didnt give out those super top secret frequencies did you? That could cause us great discomfot in the media and we'd have to change them if anyone found out. We dont want everyone knowing how much we pay for a hammer."

SPy #2---No boss.

Spy #1---"And about that plane being shot down in NY, and the whole 9/11 thing, where we killed a couple thousand helpless people?"

Spy #2---No boss, not a word

[GodOfRhythm]

Actually, I would think it would be even easier for a small group of around 20 terrorists to keep a secret like them planning a suicide attack, than it would be for someone to conceal those 'frequencies'. That's why I posted it.

Money does not forge as tight a bond of secrecy as does the blind religious fury and dedication of those sick suicidebombers. Of course the blind aspect of it all could mean that they'd be eager to spread the word, thinkin g they're invincible, who knows. Just putting it into perspective.

[Shawn Lutz]

The only thing about 9/11 that doesn't fully make sense to me is how & why WTC7 building coming down like a house of cards. It didnt appear to have much structural damage but imploded in a somewhat of an intentional fashion.

I have no questions about the Towers nor the Pentagon....the truth is obvious in that Bush and his buddies did that because they just wanted to blow up shit...point fingers at Saddam so we could go over there and blow up more shit...yeah...that's it..perfectly logical explaination

[YetAnotherOne]

Mecca and maybe San Francisco.

[GodOfRhythm]

The only thing about 9/11 that doesn't fully make sense to me is how & why WTC7 building coming down like a house of cards. It didnt appear to have much structural damage but imploded in a somewhat of an intentional fashion.

I have no questions about the Towers nor the Pentagon....the truth is obvious in that Bush and his buddies did that because they just wanted to blow up shit...point fingers at Saddam so we could go over there and blow up more shit...yeah...that's it..perfectly logical explaination

Hehe, I agree! Like I said before, I don't buy those conspiracy theories either, I just think there is more / less to it than we'll ever know about, for the better, perhaps.

[rjohnstone]

WTC 7 went down because most of the debris from Tower 2 landed on top of it.

[Accept2]

The side you never see on WTC7 had heavy damage. The nutjobs, always show only one side of the building and ignore what was going on in the back.......

[khabibissell]

First off, the plane that hit the Pentagon did not lift off from the runway turn hard toward the Pentagon and hit it. The aircraft climbed up to cruising altitude before it was hijacked. I don't have the information in front of me, but I'm sure there was atleast half and hour from departure to impact, meaning it was off course for quite some time.

You realize of course that the airspace around the capital, white house, etc... is a no fly zone right? It is normally patrolled by Air Force fighters. Strange that there were no aircraft on station that morning.

Also, the "top dogs" (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc...) were co authors of a book that in which basically stated that the United States, as the sole superpower in the world, have the right to act militarily without approval of the U.N. to do what is necessary for the good of the county.. but would need an event as catastrophic as Pearl Harbor to receive enough domestic support from the people to justify thier actions (such as invading Iraq to gain a greater presence in the middle east).

Honestly, the world is going to shit, and I can't see how anybody can possibly support the current administration. Don't be blind...

[Accept2]

Yes, the USA planned the attacks that destroyed its entire economy to start a war that required so much spending that its economy has been further destroyed, and its resourses streatched. But hey, it got oil right? From an area where the reserves are depleting so much that they are worried the region will suffer once the oil is gone? Yup, were just all blind. We would all burn billions to make thousands..........

[khabibissell]

The economy sucks for you and I, but not for Cheney, Bush, and all the other folks that benefit from the windfalls of Haliburton, its subsidiaries, and oil products. This isn't all about money either... these guys see the US as THE superpower with the right to do whatever it sees fit.

I know that you would like to believe that the top echelons of our government care about the common man, but I think you are sadly mistaken. Their policies are the only thing that matters, regardless of what it takes to achieve those goals.

All I have to say is that I hope I'm wrong about all this and everything turns out well. But I've seen and read enough to think otherwise.

[Bert]

Nutjob conspiracy theories -- all of them. Yes the current administration sucks, but there's really no need to invent BS like this to prove it, it's already obvious.

[Accept2]

Youve read too much misinformation. If the Us could do whatever it wanted, it would have taken over China, India, North Korea, and Cuba long ago, not some piece of crap like Afghanistan or Iraq. If they wanted to invade Iraq so badly, and it was really that important, why wouldnt they just plant a bunch of WMDs in Iraq while they were there and show how they were the heros that saved the day. Instead they marched in and found nothing, making themselves look like fools. Wouldnt it have been easier to plant the WMDs than to plan a whole bunch of terrorist attacks that would have serious reprocutions for decades, and then go to Iraq? Isnt that the way a sole superpower that does whatever it wants acts. It seems contradictory that someone who does what they want would go to trouble to make a reason to act in a certain way, if they could just act in that way from the get-go. Is that not a logical question to ask?..............

[Bert]

Youve read too much misinformation. If the Us could do whatever it wanted, it would have taken over China, India, North Korea, and Cuba long ago, not some piece of crap like Afghanistan or Iraq.

And still fail miserably at that. Doh!

[Accept2]

Nutjob conspiracy theories -- all of them. Yes the current administration sucks, but there's really no need to invent BS like this to prove it, it's already obvious.

Thats the funny thing about these nutjobs, they always blame Bush and the Republicans. They ignore facts like Clinton and the Democrats being in bed with Bin Laden, planning an invasion of Iraq because they felt there were WMD. They ignore anything that contradicts it all. Bush was the first president of the US to endorse the 2 state solution. That made him the first president in the history of the Us to consider a solution that would involve actual peaceful coexistance in the middle east...........

[Bert]

Thats the funny thing about these nutjobs, they always blame Bush and the Republicans. They ignore facts like Clinton and the Democrats being in bed with Bin Laden,

... a conspiracy theory of its own?

planning an invasion of Iraq because they felt there were WMD. They ignore anything that contradicts it all.

I have no doubt they did, becuase the case for WMD was always uncertain, and preparedness would require it. The important difference is that Clinton had the sense not to actually invade an entire fucking country & turn it into the worlds largest terrorist training camp based on scant evidence.

Bush was the first president of the US to endorse the 2 state solution. That made him the first president in the history of the Us to consider a solution that would involve actual peaceful coexistance in the middle east...........

And then go and fuck it all up. Considerations are just that -- considerations. Judge the administration based on its actions -- and this administration is just one big fuck up after another.