To those who hate Nirvana...

[Adam]

nope, Kurt didn't killed the 80's metal, Warrand or Poison didn't killed metal,

MTV did, MTV decided that they needed a change, and all the people followed everything that MTV did.

I mean no offense, but that seems like sort of a pedestrian conspiracy-theorist view to me. MTV doesn't change diddley dink if it's making them grown-up money in advertising revenue. I tend to think they changed to reflect the shift in what was going on, not the other way 'round.

[Adam]

23 and I live in Seattle.

You are an anomoly my friend!

I'm 25 and was living in seattle from 1990-1996, and I often find I have a different view of that era than most people I talk to nowadays (in the midwest).

I'm really genuinely curious - not trying to bait anyone. It's just really interested to me. The whole Nirvana thing is a really polarizing event between music fans. I kind of think you had to be within a certain age bracket and into music at the time to really understand why the impact of the band was as severe as it was.

The thing that makes it so strange is that that impact was felt by musicians of ALL ages, in all of rock, and over most of the world.

[horns666]

Roll Call..

Here..

42 and still hating..

[horns666]

+1
MTV killed the guitar solo.
People are sheep.

+ a gagillion..

[OnlineStageGear]

36 - Ya can't blame Nirvana. They were just an outlet for people sick of Poisen/Warrant/Firehouse image-over-music style that WOMEN seemed to flock to but even after a while of that even the women found it tacky as hell since you cannot tell how cute someone is by just listening to thier music.

So what I guess I am saying is WOMEN killed 80's metal :ROTF:

[danastas]

38, I never liked Nirvana, but I liked all the bands that preceded Nirvana, and to this day I still think Husker Du, Mission of Burma and even the Pixies are some of the greatest bands ever. Nirvana just softened up the hardcore punk scene of the 80s a bit.

My band played a song in honor of Kurt back in the mid 90s. The 20 somethings booed us, while the teens loved it.

It went like this...

Vocalist: I pulled the trigger,
Yeah I pulled the trigger,
Yeah I pulled the trigger for Kurt Kobain

Bassist:
No, I pulled the trigger, yeah I pulled the trigger, I pulled the trigger for Kurt Kobain.

Everyone in band: We all pulled the trigger, we all pulled the trigger, Yeah we all pulled the trigger for Kurt Kobain

Vocalist: Because I wanted to ease his stomach pain

Drummer: And I wanted to see what was on his brain

Bassist: Yeah, we all pulled the trigger...

Sad, cruel, immature, especially for someone in their late 20s, but there it is.

[MBreinin]

When you say "it," do you mean:




?


And if so, don't you think that music had sort of run it's course by 1992?

I don't specifically mean "hair metal", I mean guitar oriented rock music with competent musicians. While Nirvana was certainly guitar driven with heavy riffs and distortion, Cobain was a hack. I could see the writing on the wall, things were about to change and not, in my eyes, for the better. MTV, especially at that time, basically dictated what popular music was going to be. As soon as bands like Nirvana, AIC, PJ, etc. began to go into heavy rotation, the other stuff fell out of rotation....well, was pulled out of rotation. A year after SLTS aired, you didn't see any more "hair metal" videos, and your shred guitars were worthless.

However, I like all types of music so the loss of new Hair Metal was not a crushing blow. What followed Nirvana was far worse though. The 90's were dark days for guitar oriented rock and roll, if you ask me. There were exceptions, but to me that whole Nu Metal crap did nothing but induce vomiting.

Mike

[sl2lover]

31 and don't care for them either! Territorial Pissings was the only song I liked. I HATE Alice in Chains, STP, and older Pearl Jam! Vitalogy was a good album though!! As far as Seattle, Heart is my favorite!!

[Adam]

38, I never liked Nirvana, but I liked all the bands that preceded Nirvana, and to this day I still think Husker Du, Mission of Burma and even the Pixies are some of the greatest bands ever. Nirvana just softened up the hardcore punk scene of the 80s a bit.

Ding ding ding!

The only difference is that I have always liked Nirvana. I went through a period of not wanting to listen to them anymore when Kobain killed himself, but I've always appreciated their music and impact.

I don't know if they single-handedly killed 80's glam and shredtastics like your typical rock journalist claims or not. I tend to think it was just a sever case of right time/right place. Most people had gotten extremely sick of reverb, aquanet, and pink spandex by '92 and they [Nirvana] provided a fresh, commercially viable alternative.

One thing to note - the music that started the whole 80's metal phenominon was good music. Van Halen, Def Leppard, heavier bands like Maiden, etc. It's just that once the big money machine gets a hold of a new sound, they peel off all the meat that might get in the way of your lowest common denominatard's appreciation of it and repeat, repeat, repeat.

It's seriously time for a new "Nirvana" in the music world. We're 15 years deep into the backlash of corporate mediocrity brought on by cloning the last Nirvana.

[horns666]

I hated Poison/Firehouse/Warrant just as equally as Shitvana..

hate 'em all...

[axeman81]

it's called evolution. I'm 25, never was a fan of nirvana, but in retrospect they have some cool rock songs.
Foo Fighters are really good though, I hated their first album but their later stuff is great IMO.
Pearl Jam has one brilliant album, being their debut...after that..meh.
Soundgarden were great, AIC were great, Temple of the dog were great...

but I don't agree with sayings like "grunge killed the guitar solo" etc...

look at all the great metal bands who have since arised..the whole glam thing had outplayed its part, if anyone killed the genre, it was the record companies who always ride the wave of popularity by constantly cloning popular bands!

[danastas]

I kind of think you had to be within a certain age bracket and into music at the time to really understand why the impact of the band was as severe as it was. The thing that makes it so strange is that that impact was felt by musicians of ALL ages, in all of rock, and over most of the world.

Adam, I'm just wondering what you mean by this. Not trying to be a prick.

[MBreinin]

You can basically see the explosion of Nirvana as the C.T. Boundary of Music. A great extinction event.

Mike

[danastas]

it's called evolution. I'm 25, never was a fan of nirvana, but in retrospect they have some cool rock songs.
Foo Fighters are really good though, I hated their first album but their later stuff is great IMO.
Pearl Jam has one brilliant album, being their debut...after that..meh.
Soundgarden were great, AIC were great, Temple of the dog were great...

but I don't agree with sayings like "grunge killed the guitar solo" etc...

look at all the great metal bands who have since arised..the whole glam thing had outplayed its part, if anyone killed the genre, it was the record companies who always ride the wave of popularity by constantly cloning popular bands!

The grunge guys I remember, like Mould of Husker Du and the Mission of Burma guitarist, could still play, and they were even shredders. It was just the poppy side that eliminated that aspect. But if you look at Cobain's influences, they shredded.

[horns666]

I hate everything mentioned here so far..seriously:ROTF:

except AIC