To those who hate Nirvana...

[OnlineStageGear]

It would have been fine of all that Nirvana took out was Poisen/Warrant/Firehouse, but some how all of the 80's metal stuff went with it.

[Adam]

I hate everything mentioned here so far..seriously:ROTF:

Do what you do well, I always say...

[horns666]

Do what you do well, I always say...

I do hate very well..lots of practice.!

[krimson]

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[Venomboy]

+1 Bill.

In the late 80's/early 90's the radio and MTV were playing shit music by shit bands. Poison, Warrant. All that glam crap. When I would tell people I listened to metal they assumed it was the spandex shit. That stuff was a parody of itself. Oooh yeah rock and roll good time mama gonna pary have some fun ow! hot chicks! leather teddies! crackle finish BC Rich Gunslinger gonna play it at the beach! yowza!

Nirvana didn't kill anything. The popular music was a joke, MTV and other media outlets decided to push something else because that's their job. So they pushed Nirvana and grunge. AIC...me likey. Nirvana...2nd rate band. Oooh I'm so depressed. I hate my life. I don't bathe.

[MBreinin]

Oooh yeah rock and roll good time mama gonna pary have some fun ow! hot chicks! leather teddies! crackle finish BC Rich Gunslinger gonna play it at the beach! yowza!

And what exactly is wrong with this??

Is Slayer any less of a parody than this? Singing about Joseph Mengele and blood baths and the whatnot?

Music is entertainment, in whatever form you prefer.

Mike

[Adam]

Adam, I'm just wondering what you mean by this. Not trying to be a prick.

Well, it seems to me that to really appreciate that band, you had to be a kid in highschool or college. The glam stuff (which was a lot more prevalent in rock than other music with more depth) was tired, and it wasn't really your music anyway. Either you were hip enough to be privy to the post-punk movement going on on the east coast or you were stuck with Hip Hop, which sucked.

Then along comes Nirvana, and right behind them are a whole bevy of bands that don't sound like anything you've been hearing so far. Alice in Chains. Soundgarden. Smashing Pumpkins. Temple of the Dog. Stone Temple Pilots. White Zombie. Nine Inch Nails. Tool. The list could go on (for a little while).

The fact is that every generation is going to have their own music, and it's most likely going to be reactionary in part to the music that precedes it. That's just the way it goes.

Saying that MTV killed 80's metal? I'm sorry forum bros, but that's silly. 80's metal was hugely popular - why would MTV kill it? They make money by playing what people want to hear/see, so that they tune in and advertisers can sell their products. MTV has no hidden musical agenda - that's rediculous.

Note: MTV sucks, but not because they've conspired to change popular taste. We do that on our own, for better or worse.

[zeegler]

35 here. I started out not hating Nirvana. I thought that for what it was (simple songs with catchy melodies), it wasn't bad. Then, somehow, they became ludicrously popular. Suddenly a mediochre band had become "the best band in the world" to millions of teenagers. I don't understand why. They weren't doing anything groundbreaking musically or lyrically. I'm not sure if it was the media that created the hype, and the fans bought into it, or if it was the other way around. Either way, the airwaves and TV became saturated with Nirvana. It became sickening. Hearing people yack on endlessly about some guy, and talking about him like he's the best thing since sliced bread, is just pathetic. So, yeah I became a hater. There are so many much better bands, with more talent in their sphincters than Kurt Cobain ever had, that never get any recognition or fame at all. Mediochrity is very popular.

[Endrik]

I mean no offense, but that seems like sort of a pedestrian conspiracy-theorist view to me. MTV doesn't change diddley dink if it's making them grown-up money in advertising revenue. I tend to think they changed to reflect the shift in what was going on, not the other way 'round.

well, that's what they fucking did man, everyone will tell you that who was involved with music biz and MTV in those days.
The just decided it. Formemr MTV employees have said that.

A lot of people hated the 80s things before Nirvana came. But these weren't bad times for bands at all. The concerts were sold out, the albums sold millions. Many here claimed that a lot of folks got sick of the glam things, but who gives a fuck when they did so fucking well.

It was the MTV thing.

Look what's happening right now.
You see bazillion R'n'B videos in MTV all day, and they all sound the same.
Those artists are huge, MTV shows us how popular they are.
But we all know there are so many who hate that kind of music.
It's the same situation as it was in the late 80's.
MTV hasn't pulled the plug yet and god knows if they ever will.

[MBreinin]

35 here. I started out not hating Nirvana. I thought that for what it was (simple songs with catchy melodies), it wasn't bad. Then, somehow, they became ludicrously popular. Suddenly a mediochre band had become "the best band in the world" to millions of teenagers. I don't understand why. They weren't doing anything groundbreaking musically or lyrically. I'm not sure if it was the media that created the hype, and the fans bought into it, or if it was the other way around. Either way, the airwaves and TV became saturated with Nirvana. It became sickening. Hearing people yack on endlessly about some guy, and talking about him like he's the best thing since sliced bread, is just pathetic. So, yeah I became a hater. There are so many much better bands, with more talent in their sphincters than Kurt Cobain ever had, that never get any recognition or fame at all. Mediochrity is very popular.

I hear you, Zeeg. What really sickened me was the coverage that MTV ran when Cobain died. It was like rock and roll itself died that day, if you believed MTV's hype. In stark contrast, when SRV died it was on MTV News and they played 3-4 of his videos, once. I realize that SRV was nowhere as popular as Nirvana, but his loss deserved much more coverage than a cursory tip of the hat.

Mike

[danastas]

Nirvana basically just copied these guys and softened it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salbSLGlePM&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz-bsdrm0-k

Except these guys are still around doing their thing, and doing it well. Saw them in Toronto recently.

[zeegler]

As far as Nirvana killing metal, that's rubbish. The masses are finicky, and are more than willing to jump on a new bandwagon at any given moment, especially when prompted by media oversaturation. I'd say that most people, myself included, had pretty much had enough of hair metal, and since that was the only metal getting any real media exposure, it was easy enough for people to jump ship at the first sniff of something different. In fact, that's probably the real reason Nirvana became so popular. They were in the right place at the right time, and were the most middle-of-the-road of all the so-called grunge acts. Alice in Chains were far too heavy for the general population, as were Soundgarden at the time. Pearl Jam were still a little too polished for the unwashed masses. That left Nirvana in a prime spot. They played songs that most 14 year-olds could manage to plonk out on their guitars.

I think it's unfortunate that out of all the great bands from that era, including one of my faves, the Melvins, Nirvana became the figurehead of the "grunge" movement. They weren't even there at the beginning when a lot of the other bands were.

[guitarsjb]

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[KingV1]

36 and never liked Nirvana.
I don't watch MTV anymore. It seems to be all reality shows and that idiotic show TRL. Do they even play videos anymore? The only time I watch is Saturday nights when MTV2 plays Headbangers ball.

[quakana]

37 and I liked them and the whole seattle thing. Before that was Sabbath,Maiden, Priest, Metallica, Metal Church, Savatage and hated it when Poison and all those pretty boy rockers came out. I hate it when those glam bands are referred to as metal...what a joke....they were pop rock at best.