Saddam execution order upheld....thoughts?

[lerxstcat]

Killing Saddam makes him a martyr. I also think putting him on trial by an American hand-picked government rather than an international war crimes tribunal calls into question the legitimacy of the whole process.

Saddam was the most-hated secular leader in the Middle East by the Muslim extremists. Even their uneducated followers would realize that after 30 years of his cooperation with what they consider two Satans - the USSR, then the USA - that calling Saddam a martyr was bullshit.

Saddam supported the Sunni faction in Iraq because that was his family background, but he is hatted by both Sunnis and Shiites outside of Iraq. And in Iraq the Baathist Sunnis even want to see him dead because he is a threat to whatever power they now have in the Sunni faction.

There will be an increase in violence immediately after his execution, but it will be short-lived and won't mean much. Iraqis in the country and around the world are volunteering by the hundreds to be the one to hang him.

He deserves toi die for his crimes. You can call it state-sponsored murder, but I call it state-sponsored execution. Murder is UNJUST killing, this killing will be justice served.

[hippietim]

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

i am not confused. i understand the definitions. you are just splitting hairs in my opinion. killing/murder/manslaughter/whatever - either way you end up dead at which point the semantics don't mean shit. these are terms for lawyers, to me it's all just killing.

hanging saddam is state sanctioned killing. murdering is not state sanctioned killing. so the difference is who approves of the killing.

i am not saying he shouldn't be killed - i'm perfectly happy to see him swaying in the wind. i'm just not kidding myself as to the brutality and finality of the punishment no matter how much he deserves it.

[wilkinsi]

to be honest, i see no point in publicising the event. all that will do is make broadcasters wealthy, and encourage his supporters to cause more hassle. oh, bin laden's still around..

[Harry Krisna]

LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME,TOSS HIS ASS IN A BRANCH SHREADER!
Maybe(yeah,..right) the next asshole will think twice,..okay, wishfull thinking,..

[rjohnstone]

That's a subjective argument. Some of us don't consider capital punishment to be a form of "justice". Perhaps you should take that into consideration before questioning my choice of words.

He was responding to Tim's comment not yours.
And yes, it's subjective.
But there are some people on this planet who do not deserve to be here anymore.
Call it what you want, but what gave him the right to murder?
I'm of the old "school"(must be careful here not to cross into the forbidden topics), eye for an eye and such. You take one of mine, I take one of yours.
In this case, true justice cannot be served. How does one life equal the thousands of lives lost at the hands of one man. It doesn't, but I'm sure it will make the families of those he had killed sleep a little better when he is gone.
Like one famous person said... "The world has some sick mother fuckers and sometimes you just gotta thin the heard a bit."
I agree with that statement 100%

[petedz]

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

+ a billion

A punishment can't be found to fit crimes like his. Maybe if there were a way to carry out thousands of consecutive death sentences on one individual.

Ah well, this thread will be gone soon regardless...

[fett]

And I didn't even start this.:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

[Argos]

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

That's a subjective argument. Some of us don't consider capital punishment to be a form of "justice". Perhaps you should take that into consideration before questioning my choice of words.

[Tashtego]

I hate getting involved in these type of discussions, but in the interest of answering the pending question, take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

Unfortunately, it was simply a case of the US doing what it thought was in it's own best interest. Turns out it was not such a great idea. It is my hope that we (our nation and it's government) can learn from these type of mistakes in policy. Only time will tell.

-Kenn

Interesting stuff. No weapons sales but other types of diplomatic and trade support to help keep Iraq from being defeated by Iran. The author(s) make it sound like Iraq was working on WMDs. Does this discredit the article?

The biggest surprise to me was the part about drawing a line in sand at the Iranian border and telling the Soviets not to cross or else.

Why do you say it was a mistake to keep Iran from overrunning Iraq?

[VulfgangPfuck]

We are the judge, jury, and executioner of moral and ethical laws of the whole world.

It's what keeps this nation a superpower! And that, we must remain. We've earned it in the revolutionary war. If there's any non-Americans that don't care for that opinion...then too fuckin' bad!

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

Bingo +1 !!

[toejam]

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

Bingo!

[xenophobe]

why? it is state sanctioned murder. you can call it anything you want but that's what it comes down to. just like all the people he is responsible for killing. except his murder is well deserved. i'm just disappointed that it's going to be a hanging - that seems like it is far too humane.

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

[fett]

I have no comment.

I just love this picture.

[monk]

How do they even know it is the real Saddam? Wasn't there like 12 of him some years ago?

[SouthPlatteDemon]

I don't understand why you hate him so much.Yes he's a dictator,killed lots of people bla bla...But he has done nothing wrong to any of you.Non-iraq residents were out of his controlling area you know..And since nobody here cared so much about the Iraq residents and their life in political pressure and misery ,why do you hate so much?


It's just "hey they're killing someone.let's watch it.it sounds fun"


And killing him will just heaten up the area.Terrorists attacks will remain and become more often.

As an American I feel I can comment on this.

We are weird. We have double standards and often forget our past conveniently.

It wasn't very long ago that we killed off the native americans for their land. We also enslaved Africans for cheap labor. Don't get me started about Chivington's massacre just over a 100 years ago.

Moral of the post. Don't put anything past us and don't try to understand why. We are the judge, jury, and executioner of moral and ethical laws of the whole world.