Saddam execution order upheld....thoughts?

[rjohnstone]

That's a subjective argument. Some of us don't consider capital punishment to be a form of "justice". Perhaps you should take that into consideration before questioning my choice of words.

He was responding to Tim's comment not yours.
And yes, it's subjective.
But there are some people on this planet who do not deserve to be here anymore.
Call it what you want, but what gave him the right to murder?
I'm of the old "school"(must be careful here not to cross into the forbidden topics), eye for an eye and such. You take one of mine, I take one of yours.
In this case, true justice cannot be served. How does one life equal the thousands of lives lost at the hands of one man. It doesn't, but I'm sure it will make the families of those he had killed sleep a little better when he is gone.
Like one famous person said... "The world has some sick mother fuckers and sometimes you just gotta thin the heard a bit."
I agree with that statement 100%

[Harry Krisna]

LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME,TOSS HIS ASS IN A BRANCH SHREADER!
Maybe(yeah,..right) the next asshole will think twice,..okay, wishfull thinking,..

[wilkinsi]

to be honest, i see no point in publicising the event. all that will do is make broadcasters wealthy, and encourage his supporters to cause more hassle. oh, bin laden's still around..

[hippietim]

You're obviously confused. Look up the word murder.

Capitol Punishment is an action of Justice. Murder is an action of killing someone in malice, inhumanely or barbarously. Killing someone for crimes against humanity is not a malicious or barbaric act.

Personally, I think Saddam deserves a slow and torturous death. His excecution is far from State Sanctioned Murder on numerous levels.

i am not confused. i understand the definitions. you are just splitting hairs in my opinion. killing/murder/manslaughter/whatever - either way you end up dead at which point the semantics don't mean shit. these are terms for lawyers, to me it's all just killing.

hanging saddam is state sanctioned killing. murdering is not state sanctioned killing. so the difference is who approves of the killing.

i am not saying he shouldn't be killed - i'm perfectly happy to see him swaying in the wind. i'm just not kidding myself as to the brutality and finality of the punishment no matter how much he deserves it.

[lerxstcat]

Killing Saddam makes him a martyr. I also think putting him on trial by an American hand-picked government rather than an international war crimes tribunal calls into question the legitimacy of the whole process.

Saddam was the most-hated secular leader in the Middle East by the Muslim extremists. Even their uneducated followers would realize that after 30 years of his cooperation with what they consider two Satans - the USSR, then the USA - that calling Saddam a martyr was bullshit.

Saddam supported the Sunni faction in Iraq because that was his family background, but he is hatted by both Sunnis and Shiites outside of Iraq. And in Iraq the Baathist Sunnis even want to see him dead because he is a threat to whatever power they now have in the Sunni faction.

There will be an increase in violence immediately after his execution, but it will be short-lived and won't mean much. Iraqis in the country and around the world are volunteering by the hundreds to be the one to hang him.

He deserves toi die for his crimes. You can call it state-sponsored murder, but I call it state-sponsored execution. Murder is UNJUST killing, this killing will be justice served.

[lerxstcat]

How did the United States 'prop him up' and arm Hussien's Iraq? All I've ever seen are Soviet sphere weaponry used by the Iraqi military. Are you thinking of how the French helped to build that Reactor that the Israeli's destroyed?

Actually we became Iraq's protector and provider in 1980 after losing Iran to the Khomeini Islamic Revolution. We continued to be Iraq's ally until the day Saddam invaded Kuwait in August 1990.

We outbid the Soviets for his clienthood. We are also the ones who sold him some of the chemical weapons he had, which is why we knew he had them. What he did with them we don't know.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

the one thing is that after the hanging, there will not be a way for a hostage situation by his old party, which I'm suprized has not happened.

[xenophobe]

That's a subjective argument. Some of us don't consider capital punishment to be a form of "justice". Perhaps you should take that into consideration before questioning my choice of words.

If you are not going to use words by their correct meaning, how can I accept your opinions in any serious context? Pure gibberish.

Even if you believe it is not justice, it is not murder.

[Argos]

If you are not going to use words by their correct meaning, how can I accept your opinions in any serious context? Pure gibberish.

Even if you believe it is not justice, it is not murder.

If one considers the taking of human life--in any context--to be wrong and inhumane, execution is considered murder. You might not agree with it, but it's a simple concept.

[xenophobe]

i am not confused. i understand the definitions. you are just splitting hairs in my opinion. killing/murder/manslaughter/whatever - either way you end up dead at which point the semantics don't mean shit. these are terms for lawyers, to me it's all just killing.

Semantics? Hardly. Spin it however you want. Call it genocide or serial killing if you want as well. Your use of english is paramount. If you do not wish to use the correct meaning for words, then you're distorting the truth.

hanging saddam is state sanctioned killing. murdering is not state sanctioned killing. so the difference is who approves of the killing.

Murder is a deliberate and intentional act of depriving someone of their life. Killing someone who has deprived many people of their lives, a murderer, condemned to death will die. The state is not murdering him. Yes, they are killing him because of the crimes he committed.

If you want to get into semantics...
State Sanctioned Murdering would include Ruby Ridge, Waco, Tiananmen Square, the Holocaust, and any other event where government forces killed civilians in cold blood without just cause... And putting a person on trial and sentencing them to death isn't semantics, it's a liberal phrase that is misconstrued to further a political agenda.

[lerxstcat]

If one considers the taking of human life--in any context--to be wrong and inhumane, execution is considered murder. You might not agree with it, but it's a simple concept.

So if a psychopath is attacking your wife and the only way you can stop him is to kill him, you're saying that you'd let him kill her because the taking of human life IN ANY CONTEXT is wrong? That just goes against Darwinian selection. Then again, folks with your POV should gradually disappear so I guess it'll be okay...

[xenophobe]

If one considers the taking of human life--in any context--to be wrong and inhumane, execution is considered murder. You might not agree with it, but it's a simple concept.

The simple concept is that words have specific meanings. Stretching the use of one word to cover an act that it does not describe is being dishonest. I'm sorry, no matter what you think of an execution, it is far different from murder.

[Argos]

So if a psychopath is attacking your wife and the only way you can stop him is to kill him, you're saying that you'd let him kill her because the taking of human life IN ANY CONTEXT is wrong? That just goes against Darwinian selection. Then again, folks with your POV should gradually disappear so I guess it'll be okay...

Of course not. Self defense and the defense of one's family is one matter. Execution is another.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating releasing Saddam without punishment. But I'm not a proponent of deliberate killing.

[xenophobe]

So if a psychopath is attacking your wife and the only way you can stop him is to kill him, you're saying that you'd let him kill her because the taking of human life IN ANY CONTEXT is wrong? That just goes against Darwinian selection. Then again, folks with your POV should gradually disappear so I guess it'll be okay...

A woman raped is morally superior to a woman with a gun next to a dead rapist.

[toejam]

Then again, folks with your POV should gradually disappear so I guess it'll be okay...

LMAO! :ROTF: