Saddam execution order upheld....thoughts?

[rjohnstone]

I give up.:ROTF:

Make room for me. Some people just don't get it.

[lerxstcat]

That's merely argumentum ad populum.

If the dress fits, wear it...

[hippietim]

What good does it do me to kill him after my family is already dead? It certainly won't bring them back.

Zero. It'd only be to satisfy my own vanity. How petty! Revenge killing is a medieval, outmoded idea better suited to feudal Japan than to the first world in modernity.

there should be no question as to what YOU should do. you should go kill the pieces of shit if possible. if that is vanity to you then, well, well, what the fuck are you talking about?

i understand it being a question of what is right to do as a society, but not when someone takes something that precious away from your family. what we will tolerate as a society vs. an individual are considerably different.

[horns666]

I give up.:ROTF:

Fuggit, I gave up before I even started..

I guess I'm a evil murderer then..so be it..

Cool..

[St.James]

I want to say one more thing before I drop out of this conversation for good...

Murder is wrong and I don't care what name it's labeled as. Taking a human life for any reason is the worse thing anyone can do. I don't like or believe in causing the death of a human in any way, form or fashion.

Now, let's define human. To me a human is one who follows very basic rules of humanity, one being do not take the life of other humans! When someone willingly and knowingly murders, may it be one person or scores, that person ceases to be human and becomes a beast. Anyone who fights for the rights of a beast should be forced to sit with a victims grieving family and see the victims dead body in the morgue before it's cleaned up. Just imagine that being your child, parents, wife or anyone you love and cherish... Maybe that harsh, grotesque reality will stop the flow from a little bleeding heart and believe me I do pray no one ever has to suffer a loss like that. If you do and you still feel a murderer deserves to continue breathing you need your head examined.

So what do you do with the beasts who violates normal peoples right to live. The trash that takes it upon themselves to destroy the most precious thing one can be given? You remove them and their burden on society. Murderers do not deserve pity, they do not deserve to live, even if their life is spent locked in a cage 23 hours a day.

Saddam was sentenced to death for the murder of 148 people, probably many more, and as of right now he will not see the new year. They want him gone fast!

I find it troubling ANYONE would defend that mother fucker!

I also find it all out disturbing and disgusting someone here actually says that if given the chance he'd do nothing to the piece shit that just took his family right in front of him in cold blooded murder! What kind of mind processes thoughts like that?

Someone breaks into your home you kill that mother fucker before they have the chance to ever even see your family! Plain and simple!

I'm not saying I wouldn't be torn apart killing someone, but there's no way I could or would continue living knowing I let the killer of my family walk.

As far as the Saddam topic goes. He's a communist dictator, a tyrant, and a murdering piece of shit. Swinging from the end of a rope is quick easy death for a beast that made 1000's suffer...

Fuck him, his supporters and anyone who sympathizes with his death!

[Argos]

there should be no question as to what YOU should do. you should go kill the pieces of shit if possible. if that is vanity to you then, well, well, what the fuck are you talking about?

i understand it being a question of what is right to do as a society, but not when someone takes something that precious away from your family. what we will tolerate as a society vs. an individual are considerably different.

They seem linked to me. I mean. if every individual acted the same way, society would be forced to tolerate it, right?

[RattleHead]

I think a lot of you seem to be forgetting that the whole purpose of law is to separate the incompatible ideas of "justice" and "revenge" in modern "civilized" society. When one commits a crime such as Saddam has it is not Saddam versus victim #1,2,3 etc. It is Saddam vs. the "state" or the "people". The whole idea of a judicial system is such that there is no bias or moral attachment. So many of you shout that the bastard should fry and this and that, but I surely hope you don't make up your mind so quickly and unwavering the second you step in a court room for jury duty.

[lerxstcat]

I think a lot of you seem to be forgetting that the whole purpose of law is to separate the incompatible ideas of "justice" and "revenge" in modern "civilized" society. When one commits a crime such as Saddam has it is not Saddam versus victim #1,2,3 etc. It is Saddam vs. the "state" or the "people". The whole idea of a judicial system is such that there is no bias or moral attachment. So many of you shout that the bastard should fry and this and that, but I surely hope you don't make up your mind so quickly and unwavering the second you step in a court room for jury duty.

Perhaps you are the one failing to separate the difference between a normal defendant in our criminal justice system and a known tyrant, monster and MASS murderer. Saddam killed HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of people. He has been convicted of only 148 people who he held responsible for an assassination attempt on him. Note he didn't just have the assassin killed. He went down the line of anyone in the area who he THOUGHT MIGHT have been involved.

So Saddam has HAD his justice, his trial that has taken months, and several attorneys on bith sides have been murdered as well, to give him his day in court. He is a Hitler, a Stalin, a Pol Pot, and richly deserves death as an act of JUSTICE in reparation for all those he killed, and for the grief of trhe survivors of the dead.

Death to Saddam IS justice, for the people of Iraq, Kuwait, and Iran.

[Snoogans]

Please don't flame me just for posting what I think is an interesting and thought-provoking read!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2448577,00.html

FWIW, I concur with the general concensus of opinion on this thread - the fucker should swing, and good riddance...

[RattleHead]

I made no judgment in either of my posts on whether I thought he should be put to death or not. I also only used him as an example in my last post. I was merely commenting on people's views of justice in general what with all the comments of "tell that to the victim's family!" and whatnot. There is a very good reason why they aren't the jury.

[fett]

He will hang because there is no out for anyone. Whether it is right or wrong to do so is not the point. He was tried and convicted and sentenced to death by hanging. There was an appeal and the death penalty was upheld. Just get it overwith. And then there will be the same Iraq with one less diversion. He just may pull a Goering and spoil the party.

[fett]

Well, it looks like it will be done in a few minutes. Now, I know for sure that I will be awake at 1AM PST to listen to the BBC for the reaction.

[fett]

I'll hang up now. This would have been a double post.

[fett]

He's history.

[Nuclear Vampire]

Yup, they hung the mutherfucker. Good riddance.