5 year old killed by pit bull

[horns666]

Off leash is a pet peave of mine too..I hate that!!

This one time truly sucked ass..I actually tripped and fell on uneven sidewalk while jogging..right as some dude let his doberman out of the car..that wasn't good..I just kept shouting.."Call yer dog!!".."Call yer Dog!!"..that fucker charge at me hardcore..I wasn't packing anything..the dog finally returned to his owner after 30 seconds of barking and snapping at my me..

That was a close one..I was on the ground as he charged me, we were face to face as I was getting up ..gulp..

Yeah, Pico is a dick..but I love him..a squirel could prolly take him ..he's about the same color and size as a squirrel..but he's gettin' older and his legs are going bad..arthritis.

[Cleveland Metal]

Yeah, idiots have sure ruined it for the breed.

Years ago, my parents were terified of these "pitbulls" and when they heard I'd gotten one they were freaked. One day my dad saw it, laughed and said, that ain't no pitbull boy (thinking I was stupid), that's a butchers dog, ain't gonna hurt no one. We had those everywhere as kids he said and they been around back as long as he could remember. I'm like, sorry pops, this is truly that pitbull that the media and idiots have caused you to be frightened of.

He was laughing as Bruno viciously licked him brutally.

Not to say there arent a lot of bad ones out there that are deranged, unsafe and in the hands of idiots... Just know a lot of what you hear isn't quite true.

[RacerX]

pits definitely do scare the hell out of me; partially because of their ABILITY to cause a lot of damage, and partially because there are so many irresponsible dog owners in general that the bad rap

Exactly how I feel.

[sully]

yeah, but your little pico is an odd little dude. he's the only dog i've heard of that's into water sports!

one thing about the whole "instinct" thing; i do agree that's definitely something that most certainly can vary from dog to dog. my own experiences are with greyhounds; part of getting a former racer ready for adoption is cat (and/or small animal) testing. some will go after cats, small dogs, etc, in the house and some just don't. mine is what's considered cat/small animal safe. but only IN the house. outside, all bets are off. i thought it was interesting when i was told that they could pretty much guarantee that my dog would be cat safe, but if she was outside and saw the neighbor's cat, all bets would be off. she's weird in that she's okay with cats and other greys, but she doesn't like smaller, fluffy, or black dogs. not sure why, but that's just how she rolls.

pits definitely do scare the hell out of me; partially because of their ABILITY to cause a lot of damage, and partially because there are so many irresponsible dog owners in general that the bad rap is what it is. there's a pit down the street from me, and when i took charlie on her first walk, we encountered him. off leash. scared the fuck out of me, partially because there was no owner around, and here this dog was and i didn't know anything about it other than what it was. he came up and started checking out my dog, and i'm getting more nervous because i know that sometimes charlie has a small amount of patience for that kind of thing, and i was very nervous that bad things would happen. thankfully, he left after a bit, but was always in eye sight.

i have more of an issue with off leash dogs than anything else. i guess that comes from my own experience in that part of adopting a former racer is that the dog cannot be off leash at any times unless the owner and dog are in a completely fenced in area. i do my part to be responsible, and i get really hacked off when that courtesy isn't extended.

sully

[horns666]

didja ever notice that the smaller dogs are bigger pains in the ass than larger ones? i swear, it always seems like the litte ones make more noise than larger dogs do. i know that's a broad generalization, but i'd much rather be around larger dogs.

Oh Yes Sully..I noticed!!

[sully]

didja ever notice that the smaller dogs are bigger pains in the ass than larger ones? i swear, it always seems like the litte ones make more noise than larger dogs do. i know that's a broad generalization, but i'd much rather be around larger dogs.

If a chihuahua was the size of a pitbull, they'd rule the world. But they're small, and everyone thinks their insane behavior is sooo cute.

Haha.. For a 2 pound dog, Pico sure "thinks" he's king kong, he's hilarious... I've seen how he will menace the mailman... If a pitbull did what he does, they'd have the cops there. Oh wait, they already are! hehe...

It's funny, my neighbor have three yappy little evil dogs, and the mailman despises them. He walks by and tosses the mail in their yard and won't go in. Then walks into my yard, and if my dogs are out, he'll go all the way top the back of my house to stay and pet my pitbull and rottwieller through the fence for a bit and give them treats.

OMG, Newc! I just saw this! How traumatic! Boy, I'd be mega pissed.

... Another time I was pinned down by a German Shepherd while he ate my brand new ice cream cone.

Evil mutts

[horns666]

A gun is an inanimate object, no feelings, no sudden urges, no mind of it's own.

A gun left alone will do nothing but sit there. An animal left unattended... well everyone who has owned a dog has come home to unexpected situations... torn up couches or pillows, crap or piss somewhere, dogs are domesticated, but not civilized.



Absolutely the truth.

Just as some dogs are grumpy, some dogs are shy, some dogs are very temperamental, some are docile, and some just have that wild streak that you cannot remove no matter how well you treat it or how well domesticated it may act. Animals can just 'snap' like any human, and you cannot tell if and when it will ever happen. I've even seen it happen with my own eyes. Dogs are individuals in the sense that no two dogs, even from the same litter, twins even, are alike. And you cannot control what you cannot effectively teach or communicate with. A good upbringing and proper training cannot effectively rule out the potential for trouble, however it may severely limit it.

Your absolutely right Xeno..the best thing would have the Earth struck my a huge meteor..and we wouldn't anymore of these problems..:ROTF:

No more guns, wars..or grumpy little doggies or people ..POOF!!

[fett]

Wow!!!! Ron sure lost a lot of weight real fast.

[Daywalker]

For whatever reason, any dog, whatever breed is capable of killing or injuring a kid at any time, so the worrying thing i guess is the delusion shared by some dog owners that they have any control over their animals off the leash because they just don't.

Dogs and every other animal in the animal kingdom are animate objects which nobody can predict the actions of however well trained or loved. Animals have no sense of right or wrong so cannot be held accountable when they attack. Attacking is as natural as breathing to them and not necessarily distinguished between either, at their level of lower brain functions.

Humans on the other hand do have a sense of right or wrong (it's what sets us apart from any other member of the animal kingdom) - so by becoming a dog owner you must adopt the responsibility for that dog's actions if it comes into contact with someone, and if it is allowed to come into contact with someone and it kills or injures them, then the owner should be 100% held accountable for the death or injuries - as it is the dog owner who has failed to contain a quite obvious and dangerous potential threat, a threat that they introduced to begin with by becoming a dog owner.

Interestingly enough it is not the same with cats as pets in the UK. Cats are considered wild and vermin/pests, yet property of someone else. Hence the situation if a cat is systematically wrecking the paint on a car bonnet at night, there is no course of action because as vermin/pests they technically could be destroyed/removed etc but not without being acountable to the owner to which when the issue is brought before the owner, they state also the law, that the owner cannot be held responsible for the cats actions as its wild and considered vermin/ a pest. Ridiculous.

I love dogs and have been around them since i was little and have never been attacked by one - but I will never get one if i have a family because i have to assume that one day for whatever reason it could injure or kill a member of my family no matter how well i could train it or look after it and that is a risk im not ever willing to take.

[xenophobe]

Don't blame the gun, blame the asshole..

A gun is an inanimate object, no feelings, no sudden urges, no mind of it's own.

A gun left alone will do nothing but sit there. An animal left unattended... well everyone who has owned a dog has come home to unexpected situations... torn up couches or pillows, crap or piss somewhere, dogs are domesticated, but not civilized.

I know that there are some pits that regardless of how they're treated/raised will never attack anyone. I also know that there are pits that will/do attack people for no apparent reason regardless of how "sweet and cuddly" they are. You cant train instinct out of an animal, period.

Absolutely the truth.

Just as some dogs are grumpy, some dogs are shy, some dogs are very temperamental, some are docile, and some just have that wild streak that you cannot remove no matter how well you treat it or how well domesticated it may act. Animals can just 'snap' like any human, and you cannot tell if and when it will ever happen. I've even seen it happen with my own eyes. Dogs are individuals in the sense that no two dogs, even from the same litter, twins even, are alike. And you cannot control what you cannot effectively teach or communicate with. A good upbringing and proper training cannot effectively rule out the potential for trouble, however it may severely limit it.

[horns666]

"LOOK OUT, DOGGIES!"

"I'm-a gunnin' fer yew!"

That's nice Ron, ..love that pic man..

Ya fuggin' cowboy!!!

[Bandersnatch]

THAT, is a kick ass mullet, Ron!!

[RacerX]

"LOOK OUT, DOGGIES!"

"I'm-a gunnin' fer yew!"

[horns666]

Yep, the laws pertaining to APBT identification are pretty much comedy. Relying upon laymen to ID the breed characteristics that are hard to discern even by a actual pro. And that doesn't include the average animal control officer or policeman.

The Pitbull breed is very hard to assuredly ID. It's usually someone sayng what people want to hear really.

Tho it may offend some dedicated followers, Staffordshire terriers and American Pitbull terriers are so similar it's almost being lost at this point. Mentally, they are the same. Some slight physical diffs, but miniscule in the scope of things really.

People will pretty much confuse a Presa Canario with being a large Pitbull on a quick visual. Totally different animals tho, particularly mentally.

In case you're wondering, I run a pretty big Pitbull Message board that advocates responsible ownership and developing proper legislation that helps the breed and good owners, as well as promoting safety for the public. I'm pretty involved in the breed.

John has raised and trained Pitts for a VERY long time. He's more knowledgable of this breed than anyone could possibly imagine..he has dedicated much passion and love for the breed.

He invested most of his life to this , as well as music..there is NOTHING you could possibly "debate" on the issue of pittbulls with John..

Ron shootin' up the place ..killin' killer pooches..NICE..

I came close several times..but whenever a dog charged me..they always ceased their advance when I raised my weapon..it's like they knew..they'd still bark and display aggression, but I never had to shoot one..luckily. It was close a few times...one was a beautiful white German Sheppard..luckily the owner was able to command the dog to retreat...I was holding a large box of donuts with one hand and my service weapon in the other..whew..I nearly dropped the donuts..

John certainly had this experience too..but I'll let him elaborate if he wishes!!