Global Warming has been cancelled. Sorry.....

[SeventhSon]

the real damage being done is to the spirit of independent inquiry and scientific freedom. Anyone who suffers from any self doubt about the legitimacy or rationality of questioning the man-made global warming gospel need only refer to some of the easily assessable references made it this thread to reassure themselves that their opinion is in good company.

The failure of Science to publish those rebuttals was surprising. I do now give more credence that dissenting opinions are being suppressed. What I am not sure of is whether there is a widespread conspiracy to suppress this research or whether this is just an isolated incident. That there is a conspiracy is often cited by the dissenting side, but no one has described or identified who this is.

In terms of who is funding the dissenting side, Occam's Razor applies perfectly. Follow the money. Who stands to make billions of dollars with the status quo? The oil companies. Same as the tobacco companies who for years paid scientists money to say tobacco company did not cause lung cancer. And they are known to pour money into the propoganda machine for the dissenting view. Basically when big corporations take sides in a scientific debate, I promise you they will take the side that is least threatening to their bottom line regardless of how valid the science is.

In general, science has an agenda to discover the truth while corporations have an agenda to make money. Very often they conflict and the public suffers. There is much documented history on this.

[Tashtego]

You do know that the environmental groups and NGO's that are constantly hard selling man-made global warming are corporations as well right? Politicians all over the world have recognized the money raising power of climate alarmism as well.

[Top Jimmy B]

and my favorite...
"Bert, your Birkenstocks are showing."

I'm honored to have made your list.

[SeventhSon]

You do know that the environmental groups and NGO's that are constantly hard selling man-made global warming are corporations as well right? Politicians all over the world have recognized the money raising power of climate alarmism as well.

Yes, but ExxonMobil, whose own records confirm that they fund dissenting groups, has a much bigger ability to create the illusion that there is a scientifically valid dissenting view...I'm not saying there is no valid dissenting view (as you point out)...just saying that they have the pockets, and they have a history of doing it. The debate would be much clearer without their involvement at all because of the obvious bias in which outcome they prefer.

"Oil giant Exxon Mobil Corp. on Thursday (Feb 1, 2007) posted the largest annual profit by a U.S. company — $39.5 billion...
The 2006 profit topped the previous record, also by Exxon Mobil, of $36.13 billion set in 2005. The record earnings amounted to roughly $4.5 million an hour for the world's largest publicly traded oil company, which produces about 3 percent of the world's oil.

It also equals the approximate gross domestic product — a measure of all goods and services produced within a country in a given year — of countries like Ecuador, Luxembourg and Croatia.

Also eyepopping was Exxon Mobil's revenue, which rose to $377.64 billion for the year, surpassing the record $370.68 billion it posted in 2005."

[Accept2]

Dont forget all the money from Kyoto that would flow thru the UN and all their patsies. I can see the kickbacks now. Dont worry though, the UN invented waldheimer disease, Im sure they act in the best interests of society...............

[Bert]

Why do you call us "anti-warming?" There has never been a denial that things are changing. Its another example of throwing labels out at people who disagree with popular belief in order to discredit them.............

I'm sorry if I came across that way but that wasn't my intent. It was just a bit easier than saying "those of you who do not believe humans are affecting the global climate."

[Bert]

The failure of Science to publish those rebuttals was surprising. I do now give more credence that dissenting opinions are being suppressed. What I am not sure of is whether there is a widespread conspiracy to suppress this research or whether this is just an isolated incident. That there is a conspiracy is often cited by the dissenting side, but no one has described or identified who this is.

Why is it so surprising? Science is a premier journal with rigorous publication standards. They likely received dozens of similar rebuttals. They can't all be accepted no matter how reasonable they seem to us non-experts. A short rebuttal is typically ineligible for full peer review and will be published or rejected at the discretion of the handling editor. The author of the rebuttal can always make a stronger case in a longer submission and submit it for consideration through the standard review process. But of course still no guarantee it gets in. We don't know what the handling editor's exact rationale was for rejecting those rebuttals -- I guarantee you there is a lot more to the story than what you see in that particular exchange.

[charvelguy]

I assume you saw this today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16907257/

Also..I haven't read this entire thread.. but I am advocating that there is a change in our climate going on.. it is becoming warmer and I do believe it is a man/pollution enhanced condition.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

The glaciers in the tropical regions are rapidly disappearing, fact.. not fiction. However, some claim deforestation, not global warming as the problem:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...oglaciers.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...403035,00.html

More resource if you feel inclined.
http://www.aaas.org/climate/

I didn't read the entire 21 pages.. I'm already in the 'yes, it is us' club.
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._spm2feb07.pdf