Ya know who really pisses me off?

[hippietim]

Oooo i say there's a lot of fcuk(ing) in your post!

What really pigs me off about all these celebrity stars is them asking us working class people for money for charity, when all the stars put together on their wages could afford to give quite a chunk of their money to help all these causes...some do i know but they DO earn a vast sum of money you and i will never earn! sorry if this has nothing to do with your post but i fancied a moan!

Agreed, but it's still better than all the asshole politicians that raise money solely to continue being asshole politicians.

[straycat]

emporor_black sounds like a left coast liberal.Save the world disband the army and the world will love us once again.Africa has problems but they are their problems let them handle it.I don't see Africans sending shit over here other than Aids.Thanks a pant load Chet.
Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca.

[charvelguy]

Gates idea of wanting to bring only highly skilled immigrants through the system and getting them naturalized past the work visa is an interesting concept.

Objectively, it would prevent having to outsource to people in other countries with those skills, however it presents a problem because he wants to make it available to those that are capable of commanding jobs that pay in excess of 100,000.

Its a select process, but it would also open the door to legalization on all levels...because once the trickle started for the elect, the rest would want even more.

It really bothers me when I work with a smug illegal that knows they are beating the system and that the odds of the system not taking action against them, or the company I work for can be exploited by them.. rather pisses me off. Some I do really feel pity for because they are people who care about their jobs, and are good workers who should be there, yet, even though they've lived here for many years, still are not legal... and they know they should get more 'if' they were naturalized.
The fact that same company can exploit them w/o giving them raises,.. or benefits,.. and keep them at 'temp' status for many years, paying them well under market compartively to what they would be paid at a competitor 'if' certain other conditions were in place also pisses me off. Its been going on for far too long.

The fact that if I raise too much of a stink about it could possibly cost me a job leaves me with little choice but to put blinders on.

[Bengal]

emporor_black sounds like a left coast liberal.Save the world disband the army and the world will love us once again.Africa has problems but they are their problems let them handle it.I don't see Africans sending shit over here other than Aids.Thanks a pant load Chet.
Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca.

I was wrong... It got dumber...

Charvelguy,
If you work for a company that employs illegals, that's your companies fault. They are to blame, not the government. If there was no demand, there would be no supply...

[emperor_black]

emporor_black sounds like a left coast liberal.Save the world disband the army and the world will love us once again.Africa has problems but they are their problems let them handle it.I don't see Africans sending shit over here other than Aids.Thanks a pant load Chet.
Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca.

I am not saying that Bush is doing in Iraq is correct. I 100% disagree with the war. I have already said that many posts ago. No I am not a liberal. Iraq is one things, Africa is another. And to the people who are saying "Aids in Africa can be stopped by using condoms", get your facts right!

Contracting HIV by having sex with prostitues was a long long time ago. Now, all new aids cases are by children being born of parents with Aids, people who get treated for some illness but inturn contracting aids because of infected needles and infected blood. The condoms part has long been educated but the people over there are helpless. All this is exacerbated by rebel fighters who are trying to overthrow governments and kill doctors and destroy hospitals and food supply for their cause.

[AK47]

the same way you prevent it over here? by educating people to use condoms?



and this is significant because?



and your point is?



Yes, "thinking" would be a good thing...

Well Mandel was involved in terrorist acts that killed innocent people look into it and not on a tribute sight.

Also go to Africa and try to get a group of people in a classroom and teach them about using a condom, yeah feels good saying it but aint gonna happen.

There was an experiment in Africa were they were distributing the latest AIDS drug to the patients and they felt better and had more sex stop taking the meds, look it up.

Most of these people are illeterate and lack no education plus civil war is a constant threat getting them classes on condom use and distribution of symtom minimizing drugs is making things worse. Most dont understand basic biology because they were want to go to school its not like the US were you can go educate some school kids on condom use and you know that does work so well alot of the time.

Lastly if there was a vacacine I would give money to have it distributed in Africa I am all for that.

[Bengal]

emporor_black sounds like a left coast liberal.Save the world disband the army and the world will love us once again.Africa has problems but they are their problems let them handle it.I don't see Africans sending shit over here other than Aids.Thanks a pant load Chet.
Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca.

Sorry guys, I just cannot pass this one up...

Straycat,
When was California in danger of being invaded by Iraq? I must have missed that on CNN...

[AK47]

One quick reply a Hispanic based audience thinks more about there finances and they would refuse to buy the Red RZR phone because they would not want to send money to Africa their smarter than us they dont fall for these bleeding heart statements.

That is why on the Spanish channels RZR commercial there is no mention of it or your gonna say it was an accedint...no there are marketing test groups that have intreviewed their target audience and realizes they are not stupid.

[AK47]

Quote "Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca."

I have had to defend myself a few times in Downtown San Jose must be nice living in Willow Glen I still pack when ever I have to ge to such areas as down town SJ I prefer going to East Palo Alto if I have a choice.

[charvelguy]

I was wrong... It got dumber...

Charvelguy,
If you work for a company that employs illegals, that's your companies fault. They are to blame, not the government. If there was no demand, there would be no supply...

Its both. The company knows, and has made some semi legit attempts to make sure the documentation and paperwork is legal..to a degree.
Its a wink wink situation...if the illegal wants more money because they feel they're entitled even tho, some don't pay taxes, some do get benefits (at best).. then they are putting themselves in jeopardy to being replaced by more illegal temps. The tradeoff there from the companies perspecitive is it is intensive to retrain all new people with new skills for the same jobs.
Now... the other issue is, few punitive actions are taken against the company by our Gov't. Companies say its not their fault and can justify their acts if documents were forged and they had no 'real' knowledge.

So, the Gov't does allow more leniency than it should IMO. If companies bore heavy fines, they wouldn't risk it.. anymore than I wouldn't risk smuggling cigs or drugs over the border from Canada or Mexico because I can undercut the price and stand to profit from it. While I could do that.. I don't because if I were to get caught,..it would be a Federal crime and a felony or three.. and I wouldn't like prison.

[Bengal]

Charvelguy,
Why is your company hiring illegals? My bet is because they work cheaper than Americans. That's the usual case. I live in Iowa, where there are a ton of meat packing plants that hire all kinds of illegals. They do that for 2 reasons, they work cheaper. And thus, the product is cheaper. No one complains when they pay cheap prices for meat or produce but then want to gripe about the problem. If we had to pay Americans to do those jobs salads would cost over $50 and steak over $100. That's just basic economics...

I'm not saying theres not a problem. But we seem to like to take advantage of it through the price we are willing to pay for stuff...

[Bengal]

Quote "Don't diss our boys in Iraq they are doing it for you so you don't have to defend yourself in downtown San Jose Ca."

I have had to defend myself a few times in Downtown San Jose must be nice living in Willow Glen I still pack when ever I have to ge to such areas as down town SJ I prefer going to East Palo Alto if I have a choice.

So what your saying is the above statement isn't working?

[charvelguy]

I'm aware there's a demand, and why. Illegals are kept as illegals the same way that slaves were kept as slaves if its not to demeaning and insulting to make that rough comparison.

It still doesn't change the fact that they are illegal same as if I were to start a business smuggling common goods over the border is illegal.

The punitive damages against me as a citizen for doing that is far greater than a company that hires someone who made it into to the country, and job with forged paperwork.

[emperor_black]

That is the weird thing about lawyers. They dont care if bringing in illegals and fighting for their "legal" status is destroying the country or not. As long as they get their pay check, they will keep doing it. they dont care if it provides a easy route for terrorists or not. I wil not be surprised if big companies who employ illegals so they can save money are making sure everyone turns a blind eye to the problem.

[Bengal]

I'm aware there's a demand, and why. Illegals are kept as illegals the same way that slaves were kept as slaves if its not to dememaing and insulting to make that rough comparison. It still doesn't change the fact that they are illegal same as if I were to start a business smuggling common goods over the border is illegal.

I totally agree with you...