Iran Takes 15 British Soldiers At Gunpoint

[charvelguy]

Frakin A.. thats about the 3rd time in the past 7 years I have actually agreed with this administration on passing legislation I can actually stomach...that almost qualifies me as Republican.
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There already exists an Executive Order giving foreign-born immigrants citizenship for serving:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/sections/nation_world/nation_world/article_308176.php

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/localstatecolumns/article_1556240.php

Also, just today I read in the paper about a Congressional immigration proposal that calls for mandatory military service for illegals.[/quote]

[Rsmacker]

Sorry DD3keegs, I think you are way off.

If we are talking about "Al Quaida", this mythical organisation run by Osama Bin Laden, sitting in his hollowed out mountain like Blofeld, the great threat threat to us all, well, squaring up to Iran is not going to help. Apart from the fact there is no such organisation as Al Quaida, it's just an umbrella term, used by the West to label any raghead group who set off a bomb "for Allah".

Iran is a country run by fucking idiots, but A-Q don't have any presence there, in the same way no-one in Iraq had heard of them before we invaded.
I'm sure there are state-sponsored Islamic terrorists there, but saying they are Al Quaida is just crass.
When you hear of anti-Americanism around the world, it is caused by Americans saying A-Q this and A-Q that, it smacks of being totally ignorant of the different factions all vying to make their own version of Islam the dominant one, all it has done is conjure up this terrifying bogeyman, the evil Al Quaida. All we've given them is a standard to rally to.

We won't beat A-Q, they don't carry membership cards, what you are talking about is beating Islam, which is a whole different kettle of fish. And that's the way all the Islamic states see it, the US (and the UK) want to destroy Islam.
Now, I'm not going to say that's a bad thing, but if you want to do it, we need to stop pissing about chasing shadows in the mountains, come out and say it, and brace ourselves for the wrath of Muslims worldwide. Then, of course, we can kick the shit out of them, but that really would be the War of all Wars, that would qualify as the battle of Armageddon, I'd say!

And of course, we can't be nasty to the relatively modern Iran but be nice to our chums in medieval Saudi Arabia, where the majority of the 9-11 terrorists came from, along with Bin Laden, and the most anti-Western strain of Islam, Wahabbism (sp?), can we?
Ah, but we get a lot of oil from them, and we do sell them billions of pounds worth of arms every year. Hmmmm, best not declare war on Islam then, let's just stick to chasing "Al Quaida".

We're better off encouraging them to carry on in-fighting, Hamas vs Fata vs Ali Baba & the 40 Thieves or whoever, like they have been doing for donkeys years. They destroy each other. No need to lump them all in together and "declare war on terror" (what a fucking joke, from a country that openly backed IRA TERRORISTS and paid for their bombs and guns to kill British civilians), we should divide and conquer, leave them to squabble to death.
If necessary and Iran needs a kick up the arse about it's behaviour taking sailors hostage or building nuclear reactors, that's another issue, it's easier to persuade the other Moslems around the world that is the reason, and not because we Imperialistic Western Powers are looking to throw our weight around.

Ah, fuck it, this is too much hard work, lets nuke 'em, turn the place into glass, and get our oil from those nice Venezualans.

[lerxstcat]

Our country didn't back the IRA, private Irish-American citizens did. Sort of like those private Saudi citizens that hijacked those planes but didn't represent their government either.

Al-Qaeda is not an organization the way the CIA is, but it is a loose affiliation of organizations who cooperate against us. They're not in Iran but "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is the operative ethic there. The West is the enemy and they'll put their differences in abeyance until they have dealt with us.

We have no illusions about Saudi Arabia ultimately, but we will handle the more urgent threats first, then deal with Saudi Arabia at another time.

Nuking the place makes no sense, except maybe tactical nukes against Iranian forces and/or nuclear facilities. The Israelis will probably do that and take the flak of it for us.

This war will take up the rest of the 21st century if not more.

[Rsmacker]

Our country didn't back the IRA, private Irish-American citizens did.

Acknowledged. That's what happens when you post things late at night! Though it has to be said, your previous President, the cigar bloke, was seriously biassed towards the Irish Republicans, giving them a legitimacy. Tony Blair was no better -after years of the British Govt declaring that we do NOT do business with terrorists, all of a sudden he's doing deals and lo and behold, convicted terrorists who refuse to swear an oath to the Queen have offices in Whitehall. What kind of message does that send out to the Islamic terrorists?
It just says, sooner or later, when they have blown enough stuff up, killed enough people, the British Govt for one, will capitulate and they will get what we want.

They had better think again. I'm ready.

Oh, and VitG, I don't think Mrs Thatcher was wholly bad. Yes, my Dad would dance on her grave, won't hear her name mentioned, and saw his industry ground into the dirt by her, but 20 years later we possibly have had more opportunities to do something with our lives. Rather than going into dead-end industries like our Dads did, most of my mates are self-employed, and most are doing just fine. That's pretty much her legacy, though perhaps I see it through rose-tinted specs.
And of course, she kicked the shit out of the Argentinians and sank the Belgrano, so all sins forgiven. She had the balls to go in despite the US opposition. Tony Blair would piss his panties if they invaded again and the US said we shouldn't liberate. Thatcher just said "Fuck you then, we'll do it ourselves". Which we did, with a little help from Johnny Gurkha, he he.

Then she went and humped Ronnie Reagan with a strapon and made him crawl around on all 4s and call her Mistress. Allegedly.

[hippietim]

Rsmacker - sweating an oath to the Queen is bullshit anyhow.

[shobet]

I like swearing at royalty.

[ozzuk1]

Is that's cause your welsh? lol...

This could turn into bad situation, especially if the if we do nothing bad they wont hurt us brigade get their way....

Still the threat of islamic extremists is great especially in england....

Allthough the world shoudl remember that the welsh scots and irish are very patriotic and have thier own identity and won't sit there and get taken over....

There was a mosque built in Cardiff once then it mysteriously burned down, theres been one rebuilt since, but theres so many areas where they just wont get build in wales probably scotland aswell...

Still we need to monitor this situation very carefullly....

[fett]

When it come right down to it kids. It's all economics. Just make everyone fat and sassy and it will all simmer down. The Religious stuff if getting worn thin. The average Joe just wants to get on with life. I think just about everyone in the world is getting tired of this shit. When the zealots have run out of suicide bombers, life will be good. Just offer them $10,000 not to blow themselves up. They will take it in a heartbeat. So says a drunk optimist.

[Mike]

Bomb Iraq, take the oil. Everything is solved. So says a 15-year-old optimist.

[Rsmacker]

Rsmacker - sweating an oath to the Queen is bullshit anyhow.

Maybe to you, but if you want to come to Parliament, as an elected representative, getting paid to do so, in this country, you are expected to acknowledge the Queen as the Head of State, and swear to uphold everything that post entails.
Now I have no doubt there are MPs out there who are anti-royalist and would like to see Britain become a republic, and that is up to them, this is, after all, a free country. They do however, swear their oath, and if they want to change things, they can do it through the ballot box.

If a convicted terrorist won't swear to obey the law and acknowledge the Queen, then fuck him, there's no place for him in Parliament, he's still a thug. It's nothing but a naked insult to the British people, Parliament and democracy.
Secret Squirrel should do us all a favour and make them disappear.

[fett]

Bomb Iraq, take the oil. Everything is solved. So says a 15-year-old optimist.

"I Like Mike" He won't get it but he is refreshing.:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

[Mike]

What won't I get?

[fett]

That's a play on words of the old Eisenhower for Prez button. His nickname was "Ike". So the badge said; "I Like Ike". That was a compliment. Grasshopper.

[Mike]

Haha. Thanks man.

[lerxstcat]

Acknowledged. That's what happens when you post things late at night! Though it has to be said, your previous President, the cigar bloke, was seriously biassed towards the Irish Republicans, giving them a legitimacy. Tony Blair was no better -after years of the British Govt declaring that we do NOT do business with terrorists, all of a sudden he's doing deals and lo and behold, convicted terrorists who refuse to swear an oath to the Queen have offices in Whitehall. What kind of message does that send out to the Islamic terrorists?
It just says, sooner or later, when they have blown enough stuff up, killed enough people, the British Govt for one, will capitulate and they will get what we want.

They had better think again. I'm ready.

Oh, and VitG, I don't think Mrs Thatcher was wholly bad. Yes, my Dad would dance on her grave, won't hear her name mentioned, and saw his industry ground into the dirt by her, but 20 years later we possibly have had more opportunities to do something with our lives. Rather than going into dead-end industries like our Dads did, most of my mates are self-employed, and most are doing just fine. That's pretty much her legacy, though perhaps I see it through rose-tinted specs.
And of course, she kicked the shit out of the Argentinians and sank the Belgrano, so all sins forgiven. She had the balls to go in despite the US opposition. Tony Blair would piss his panties if they invaded again and the US said we shouldn't liberate. Thatcher just said "Fuck you then, we'll do it ourselves". Which we did, with a little help from Johnny Gurkha, he he.

Then she went and humped Ronnie Reagan with a strapon and made him crawl around on all 4s and call her Mistress. Allegedly.

Well, I don't necessarily support the IRA killing innocents, but you have to admit England treated Ireland appallingly for nearly 1,000 years, and killed plenty of Irish civilians. Ulster is a toughie because you now have entrenched generations from both sides, but the Irish have a more legitimate and longer-standing gripe than do the Muslims, really.

As for Reagan opposing the British retaking the Falklands, that's the firrst I've heard of it. My understanding was that we provided the Royal forces with refueling and resupply and the US media was certainly pro-Britain in its coverage of that conflict. I heard nothing that indicated our government was against it, but who knows?