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  • Disco...... is kicking my friggin ass

    man, creating a Disco tune is fucking hard, I've been struggling with this shit for a while

    first a kickass groovy funk bassline... wich is the foundation of the whole tune

    then a strong rhythm'n'blues style shuffle beat

    and a funky guitar riff...or two

    that's the easy part for me as I've been doing funky stuff for years

    ok then latin/caribbean percussion parts

    I'm familiar with percussion and know latin music very well... so I probably have to mix it with the funky parts like Marvin Gay did on Motown records

    now it's many different keyboards with different sounds and melodies/chords playing simultaneously... let's say 2 or 3 keyboards/electric pianos.
    the keys have to be jazzy but they are not like cool jazz type like Bill Evans did and they are definetly not atonal stuff ala Cecil Taylor. They sound kinda funkier but not exacty like Stevie Wonder or Herbie Hancock play, that's too funky... I guess some Isaac Hayes type lines work....
    ok.. let's make one part more chordal and the other one more melodic and if I need a third one... then some phrasing lines should work. Writing keyboard parts really pisses me off.

    It's time to add the jazz horns section. Definetly has to be very funky. Thank god I've been listening to Tower Of Power a lot... can't go wrong with borrowing ideas from them.... Miles Davis or John Coltrane type of horns lines definetly don't work.... and Glenn Miller's stuff is too swing and old school. Ok funky horns... typical jazz set-up...trumpet, alto sax and tenor sax.... and maybe even a clarinet.

    And then the fucking orchestration. I have some clue how the orchestral scores are made. But composing a funky horns like melodies and harmonies for symphonic instruments... man that's sick. This is not classical music for sure. A lot of experimenting must be done to get something decent out of this. Shit... violins playing like sax....

    Ok and then there must be a good flow going on, the horns and orchestra parts are like having a conversation or something. Can't make repeative licks. And can't make them to play just chords... it's not like a piano. Every instrument must have its own thing.

    Oh and then there's the vocals.... bazillion harmony parts and whatnot.

    And all this shit must have tons of syncopated parts... so you have to make all the sections work together very well.

    And then mixing all this together. Man... there's always something that sounds wrong or weird... you change it, then something else sounds weird... you change that and then still there's something wrong with it and you don't have a clue what... then you start changing all the parts until the whole tune is fucked up.
    Uhh, and there's always something that's too quiet and something that's too loud and just can't get the right levels.
    And everytime you listen all that shit, you want to change something... ereasing some parts.. and composing some new parts.... and soon there's a totally different tune.... and still everything is wrong....

    And then I'm listening to Earth, Wind & Fire.... they have like one million and fifty two tracks recorded for each songs.... and everything sounds amazing, all the parts work very well with each other and all the levels are right.

    I think I have to grow a fro, maybe that helps.
    "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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    It's like playing the Blues or Jazz or Whatever. If it ain't "There" it ain't "There". I don't like "Disco" and I don't like "Hip Hop" or "Rap". But, I will give them this, if they can do it, bless them. It takes a hell of a lot more than being able to play an instrument to get the vibe and the feeling to do it.
    I am a true ass set to this board.

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    • #3
      Just play a BeeGee's tune backwards.

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      • #4
        Some of my friends are very well known writers and producers in the world of house music. I have done it or years.

        Kick, hats, snare, bass and then layer and loop keys, horns and vocals. To me, it is the easiest stuff to write. Good luck.

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        • #5
          I don't want to loop that stuff, I want to create a certain flow, and that's the hard part... your melodic structure is changing and then you have to adjust all the other instruments after that. With looping... yes it woul be hell of a lot easier but I like to expreiment.

          I have to give it more time, it is improving, in a couple of days I think I'll have a breakthru.

          Writing/Composing has never been hard for me, but when you have so many different parts (different instruments, different sounds, and different styles combined together) then your inner ear is confused, you can't controll all the parts at the same time in your head.
          Last edited by Endrik; 04-18-2007, 12:39 AM.
          "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

          "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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          • #6
            Originally posted by fett View Post
            It's like playing the Blues or Jazz or Whatever. If it ain't "There" it ain't "There". I don't like "Disco" and I don't like "Hip Hop" or "Rap". But, I will give them this, if they can do it, bless them. It takes a hell of a lot more than being able to play an instrument to get the vibe and the feeling to do it.
            hey, I'm not the biggest Disco fan either but the compositions are amazing and there's some pretty cool tunes too. And the musicians were top notch... some of the greatest bassists did Disco.... like Bernard Edwards from CHIC, his bass lines are allmost impossible to play.
            "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

            "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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            • #7
              Gotta have it in your blood man... Seems Disco went south when it got exploited by "the man"... (not unlike metal in the 80s)

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              • #8
                I was told if you have sex with Donna Summers you can write disco hits indefinitely.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cleveland Metal View Post
                  Gotta have it in your blood man
                  you got that right... too band I'm not a Guido
                  funk is in my blood.... not bad for a white boy

                  writing the tune itself is the easy part.... chord progression, vocal melody, main theme etc. just like in any style

                  composing the orchestration and arranging all that shit together is insane
                  "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                  "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                  • #10
                    Disco Rocks! Whoa...is that an oxymoron??

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                    • #11
                      finally, I'm having some good results.... freak out!!!
                      "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                      "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                      • #12
                        Play that funky music white boy! I always thought it was "play that fucking music white boy".. hmm.
                        "This ain't no Arsenio Hall show, destroy something!"

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                        • #13
                          I was always partial to Lipps, Inc - Funkytown

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xsentrick View Post
                            I was always partial to Lipps, Inc - Funkytown
                            It takes all kinds. I can't resist. The six faces you see are the band. I'm sorry.
                            I am a true ass set to this board.

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                            • #15
                              Post a link when you are done.( I am guessing that you are going after a Philly or Sal/Soul vibe witht he way you are writing). I would love to hear it. Props if there is a Bar-Kays influence.

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