Firearms

[horns666]

Yes, and that is why it is mandatory to register and secure ALL handguns. They are enforced with hefty penalties..with lots of jail time.

I never seen any of those types of accidents in the hood..which is odd because there is MANY guns under couches, closets, matress ect..in easy reach of toddlers..I always found them doing search warrants. ...

The only accident I saw was two stupid secuirity guards in the main lobby of the Juvenile Detention Home..one guard was showing off his new toy and blew the dude's brains out..in front of many witnesses..that was pretty fucked up!

[slayer32390]

Well, that is sad. Sad that people round them dropped the ball by showing them how not to do that.

+1 If it was a suicide then it is not the gun's fault. Even if there were no guns a suicidal person will find a way to do the deed. And an accident is irresponsible on the owners fault for not educating those around him or her in the proper use of a firearm. I don't mean to dump on you or your friends that lost their lives, it sucks alot that it happened, but in no way does that affect his need to protect himself in a situation where he and his family are threatened.

[Cleveland Metal]

I see that technically, I didn't exactly make sense, but glad you figuured out what I meant, haha.. I'm getting toasted doing this crap...

[LouSiffer]

And this all goes back to what I said earlier. Guns do not make you invincible....and in the wrong hands is a liability.

I have trained friends in fire arms safety to help them get over their fears and to make them realize the power they have in their hands.

My basic rule of thumb is: Do not point your weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy. That doesn't just mean aiming it, it means as soon as you finger it to pull it. Whenever you are pulling the gun up, you are acknowledging you will destroy the ground that is in line with the barrel. You will destroy everything that is within line of the barrel: Foot, ground, flowers, trees, building, people, etc. Anything within that line is "destroyed" once that magical reaction of primer and gunpowder occur.

Every country has its flaws. Ours is far from perfect, but, in my opinion, its the best one out there and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Guns never have been and never will be the cause of the problem. Mans idiocies are the problems. All through history, man has been THE perfect killing machine long before guns were around. We have killed people because of there skin color, ideas, beliefs, religion, and for absolutely no reason at all. It is bread into our DNA to kill. Some people contain it and some can't. And we were doing this so efficiently long before guns were invented.

The most of heiness crimes, in my opinion, never involved guns. The person that killed another with their bare hands or tortured them slowly until they died. The mothers that have drowned/hung/burned their own children. These are the truly sick people. Any coward can point a device and pull the trigger and let the flying lead do the work. Its the crazy POS that is holding the person under water feeling their life leave that body that is truly phukked up. Listening to their last screams and gasping for air because they just set them on fire. Yup, these are the cream of the friggin crop right here.

I dunno, I am just one of those people that do not let my emotions and fears choose my state of mind.-Lou

[slayer32390]

I see that technically, I didn't exactly make sense, but glad you figuured out what I meant, haha.. I'm getting toasted doing this crap...

I got you covered Cleve

[Bert]

+1 If it was a suicide then it is not the gun's fault. Even if there were no guns a suicidal person will find a way to do the deed.

Were you there? Didn't think so. If there wasn't a gun involved, it wouldn't have happened. While it's true you can't stop someone determined to kill themselves, if you knew anything about suicide, you'd know that most attempts are impulsive acts. This was clearly such a case.

And an accident is irresponsible on the owners fault for not educating those around him or her in the proper use of a firearm.

It's not a matter of fault. It's simply about what's going to make you safer. The owners of these guns were intelligent people and I'm sure they also were convinced that stuff like this wouldn't happen to them. But it did.

I don't mean to dump on you or your friends that lost their lives, it sucks alot that it happened, but in no way does that affect his need to protect himself in a situation where he and his family are threatened.

When did I say that it did affect that need? I said I fully supported YAO and Cleve in their desire to own firearms. From what I've heard of *their* situations, it sounds like it might be prudent.

[edit] OK I didn't exactly say that, but go back and read what I said -- I was speaking of my situation & what i believe are the situations of many other people posting in this thread. If I lived in a ghetto, I'd own a gun too. [/edit]

[horns666]

And this all goes back to what I said earlier. Guns do not make you invincible....and in the wrong hands is a liability.

I have trained friends in fire arms safety to help them get over their fears and to make them realize the power they have in their hands.

My basic rule of thumb is: Do not point your weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy. That doesn't just mean aiming it, it means as soon as you finger it to pull it. Whenever you are pulling the gun up, you are acknowledging you will destroy the ground that is in line with the barrel. You will destroy everything that is within line of the barrel: Foot, ground, flowers, trees, building, people, etc. Anything within that line is "destroyed" once that magical reaction of primer and gunpowder occur.

Every country has its flaws. Ours is far from perfect, but, in my opinion, its the best one out there and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Guns never have been and never will be the cause of the problem. Mans idiocies are the problems. All through history, man has been THE perfect killing machine long before guns were around. We have killed people because of there skin color, ideas, beliefs, religion, and for absolutely no reason at all. It is bread into our DNA to kill. Some people contain it and some can't. And we were doing this so efficiently long before guns were invented.

The most of heiness crimes, in my opinion, never involved guns. The person that killed another with their bare hands or tortured them slowly until they died. The mothers that have drowned/hung/burned their own children. These are the truly sick people. Any coward can point a device and pull the trigger and let the flying lead do the work. Its the crazy POS that is holding the person under water feeling their life leave that body that is truly phukked up. Listening to their last screams and gasping for air because they just set them on fire. Yup, these are the cream of the friggin crop right here.

I dunno, I am just one of those people that do not let my emotions and fears choose my state of mind.-Lou

Man is the most vicious beast on the planet..

Intelligence is a double edged sword that induces emotions of love and hate, with that brings war..

If you believe in the Bible..Humans are fuck ups from the start..Adam and Eve, then Cain killed Able. Not even Heaven was exempt of war..it is in our design...our DNA.

I LOVE that book..it is the bloodiest book ever written..you should read it sometime!

It puts Clive Barker, Stephen King, HP Lovecraft and Edgar Allen Poe to shame!!

[Brick]

Because the scumbags all have them, and if you'd like to be safe, it's not a bad idea.

What a dumbass thing to say "US scares the crap out of me", when so many other countries are rampant with violence much worse.

Do countries like Ethopia, Somalia, Iraq, Iran and a thousand other 3rd world and more modern countries that have men walking the street with machine guns and rocket launchers scare the crap out of you?

It's not just the US.

Gotta love Anti-Americanism...

This is why the states scares the crap outa me, The belief that owning a gun will make you safer, and if every one has guns things are safer.

I'm scared of scared Americans, Ie americans with guns. Thats just what i think, and your welcome to your opinion.

[Bert]

I never seen any of those types of accidents in the hood..which is odd because there is MANY guns under couches, closets, matress ect..in easy reach of toddlers..I always found them doing search warrants. ...

Weird, happens all the time around here. This story is from a recent incident in the 'hood:


http://www.kcbs.com/pages/568071.php...ntentId=598389

[YetAnotherOne]

Were you there? Didn't think so. If there wasn't a gun involved, it wouldn't have happened. While it's true you can't stop someone determined to kill themselves, if you knew anything about suicide, you'd know that most attempts are impulsive acts. This was clearly such a case.

Same sort of thing happened to several folks with whom I attended high school. One was a great kid who'd had a hard life spent mostly bouncing through a series of foster homes. He got a bit depressed after his yuppie cheerleader girlfriend dumped him then went on a days-long acid bender, which he concluded by splattering his brains all over a friend's bedroom wall.

In an ironic twist of fate, a couple years later the yuppie cheerleader girlfriend had moved in with another guy who wound up "accidentally" shooting and killing her while she was hanging a target. Never mind that she'd phoned her mom a week before to let her know that they guy was abusing her and she'd be leaving him very soon.

But those sorts of incidents aren't the fault of firearms; they're the fault of defective people. Years ago a local who'd spent significant time in the federal pen was released and returned home. He was unable to obtain a gun his first weekend out, so he instead bludgeoned three people to death. They’re no less dead than if they’d been shot, it’s the mentality of the person not the means at their disposal that creates these problems.

On the flip side when I was in high school (very late 80s) it wasn’t at all unusual to see trucks with gun racks complete with rifles and/or shotguns in the high school parking lot. The rules were that they were to be unloaded, the vehicle locked, and with no ammo visible; under no circumstances were the guns to leave the vehicles. The high school has been there many decades and to my knowledge there’s never been an incident of any kind involving a firearm there despite the fact that until recently they were allowed on the grounds.

The area around here is the sort that brings the guns per capita rate for the country up. You’d have to look very hard to find a home here that doesn’t contain multiple guns and enough ammo to hold off a small a good portion of the Chinese horde should they ever land on the West Coast and make it as far as the Great Plains. Yet we have very few incidents of gun violence here and those that do occur are typically lifers just out on parole, local meth heads / dealers going at each other, or the occasional jealous husband shooting his wife’s lover which is to say that most are easily avoided.

[horns666]

Too be completely honest I LOVE not carrying my gun. Whenver I have it I'm always on edge..because with it comes much responsibility. Sometimes I feel naked without it, it is a fucked up city and I'm very tuned in to what is going on..and I see shit all the time that goes completely unnoticed by civilans..like the stolen car next to me in traffic, or the drug deals right in front of me..it's not my "job" to deal with such matters anymore..but I been programmed to respond to them, and did so for years..it is something you can't turn off like a switch. This is why I rarely go out of the house..this is true.

I cultivated a presence and attitude that is VERY stand off-ish, so I'm not approached or hassled much. Displaying my tin is good enough to deter situations, and has.

While working I pointed my weapon daily, sometimes several times..usually because dispatch always gave us fucked up descriptions of a armed suspect in the area..such as .."Black male, early 20's, wearing white T shirt and Blue Jeans"..I would get pissed and ask radio "can you do better than that ..I see about 30 males that fit that description!"..sometimes you have to draw down on them and check them out. Then either send them on their way..or take them to jail for the crime in question or a fresh warrant...and they all have fucking warrants!!!

I stay home these days..I rather avoid people because of my constant dealings with them in this manner...it really burned me out and made me extremely cynical of people...I can never really "relax"...not without xannax!!

I entertain out of the city with my family..so I'm more at ease and don't bring my gun..My city sucks, and I didn't make alot of friends. People always know who I am, but I have no clue who they are. So they must remind me..or try to. It's easy to remember the cop that arrested you or worse. I been called on it quite a few times while at stores with my wife. Some were not happy!

It blows!

[SlasZ]

You should really write a book

[Cleveland Metal]

This is why the states scares the crap outa me, The belief that owning a gun will make you safer, and if every one has guns things are safer.

I'm scared of scared Americans, Ie americans with guns. Thats just what i think, and your welcome to your opinion.

Well, if you don't have a way to protect yourself, you consider that safe? I can't see that logic. At all...

If everyone "possibly" might havea gun, I suppose that would make the average scumbag think a bit before he does something bad to someone.

Seems nuts to think that way, but you're just not gonna get the guns away from the criminals, ever. You really have little choice but to be prepared and have some defense.

If you can't slightly understand that, then that's just silly. But, seeing your other posts, I understand.

[SlasZ]

I think the fact that many people are carrying guns is also related to the higher crimerates in the States, due to poverty, bad social/health system and unemployment which forces some people to committing crimes.

[Cleveland Metal]

Yeah, the problem is mostly socio-economic.

Typically, You have your criminals that are armed to help them in their predation. Then you have your people that have to live close to them and are generally cool, but are scared, so they arm themselves, but aren't so well versed and are the glut of the accidents.

Then you have people like us here, that are reasonably educated, and are aware of the situation and arm themselves. We, are basically the safest ones out there with guns I figure.

I'm glad to say, from what I see here, most of the people responding here are very well versed, educated, responsible and safe.

Generally, it's really a sad situation. And quite a vicious circle. What sucks is, it's not a game where you can say "I'm not playing", short of moving somewhere safe. And we ALL can't do that.