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[OnlineStageGear]

We could have the same gun laws as the UK and we would still have the same gun crime because they already breaking countless gun laws when the commit those crimes. Making it more illegal won't help.

[StukaJU87]

But you're a cop right? I can't imagine regular ppl getting shot at at all 'regulary'

Have you ever watched the news from NYC, Newark, Detroit, LA etc.... Innocents got shot, robbed, stabbed, raped, car jacked, gang beaten...etc...everyday. For the hell of it. Why? Because the filthy animals know that they can get away with it. The police can't be everywhere at all times.

I do not carry religiously, even though I am allowed. But you can bet your bottom dollar that if I have business in a shit hole, I will have the toaster handy.

[Cleveland Metal]

Ehh, screw it... I'm just gonna move to John Cable's place. It's safe there

[Norton]

You would be shot there, just because of your text color

[horns666]

Have you ever watched the news from NYC, Newark, Detroit, LA etc.... Innocents got shot, robbed, stabbed, raped, car jacked, gang beaten...etc...everyday. For the hell of it. Why? Because the filthy animals know that they can get away with it. The police can't be everywhere at all times.

I do not carry religiously, even though I am allowed. But you can bet your bottom dollar that if I have business in a shit hole, I will have the toaster handy.

eh...yeah!!!

Your only watching what is reported, and let me tell you as a "cop".. about 10% of crime is reported..and that is being generous.

Paris Hilton is "Breaking News" instead of some girl abducted at a Target..now THAT is the world we live in.

That is reality!!

[asix]

We could have the same gun laws as the UK and we would still have the same gun crime because they already breaking countless gun laws when the commit those crimes. Making it more illegal won't help.

its never been easy to get a gun so there is no stock pile of weapons in the public domain. well you can but its very hard to do so iligaly. its a 7 years in prison just for having one.

i supose if you just banned all guns over night in the states and all the legit owners handed there guns back in that it would be a criminals paradice.

[Cleveland Metal]

i supose if you just banned all guns over night in the states and all the legit owners handed there guns back in that it would be a criminals paradice.

Very much so.

I figure that drugs have always been banned, and they're easy to get. So, I don't know that if guns were always banned that it would be any different.

[~K~]

i supose if you just banned all guns over night in the states and all the legit owners handed there guns back in that it would be a criminals paradice.

Pretty much you would just punish law abiding citizens. Criminals will do what they have to do. Gun laws imo control those who follow the law not those who don't care about the law

[Cleveland Metal]

yeah... basically it's:

" I need to rob and kill these people, but gee.. I better not use this gun, cuz it's illegal..."

Yeah... Unlikely...

[horns666]

See, there is no "debate"..no matter how you approach this..just various statements of very naive perceptions of reality.

you can't sugar coat or deny simple logic and reality..

The majority don't see this reality..just what they see on tv.

I saw death on a daily basis..I didn't watch the news. No, I rolled up my sleeves and retrieved dead babies from dumpters, called SIU for the ladies that were raped and killed with her heads blown off, finding a naked woman who was just dumped from a car who was raped and shot in the head by a suspect I persdonally knew, A crackhead who passed out while her baby died in the same baby swing my kid had, a 7 year old girl that died in my arms in the ER.. who was raped , tortured and murdred by her grandfather..I can continue.

I been to MANY clubs where gangs shot up the place, while the suspects were still armed and at the venue amoung 500+ other people..who were starting a riot..you can still smell the gun powder..you got 500 suspects and maybe 8 cops to deal with the situation.

A father on PCP who crushed his 18 month baby to death and biting his throat..as I was beating him on the head with my mag-lite with full force...I couldn't shoot the fucker because therr was too many cops trying to retrieve the child as well..when he came to..he had no idea what he had done and wanted to kill himself..I wished he did!

Hanging onto a 160lb lady by her waisteband while dangling over a bridge..she prolly thanked Jesus for saving her..I don't even know her name..and I'm sure she don't know mine..

Oh..getting attacked by an irate intoxicated 360lb Corrections Officer who was cut off booze on a plane with approx 200 people on board who simply watched him brutally beat two female flight attendants and a co pilot, then proceeded to kick in the cockpit door while being diverted to Cleveland ..just so I could break my neck fighting that asshole while everyone else watched..which is why I am retired..

I could go on..and on..and on..

Yes, we live in a fucking utopia..that I have yet to discover!

Anyone who thinks they are exempt from this shit or will never be a victim or even worse their wife, mother or child is a clueless tool..that needs to get a fuggin' clue.

You are getting this straight from the source..no sugar coating, denial, or rose colored bullshit for me..or you..any of you.

That is life..that is reality..and it's nothing but "luck" that you haven't experienced it...and that is a good thing!

[fett]

Stop typing in RED. I can't read it.

[GodOfRhythm]

I can write a book on stories such as that and much worse.

Maybe I will..someday.

Actually that's a good idea, Bill. You'd make plenty of cash with that I suppose!

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As for the rest of the discussion: if citizens (and yes, even Law Enforcement) do not carry or own weapons that incidents of shootings or crimes committed with guns (such as burglary with shooting or hold-up with guns etc) go down DRASTICALLY.

It's a tender balance: criminals do not require AK47's or assault rifles if none of the target populace have guns.

Statistical science backs me up.

[horns666]

Actually that's a good idea, Bill. You'd make plenty of cash with that I suppose!

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As for the rest of the discussion: if citizens (and yes, even Law Enforcement) do not carry or own weapons that incidents of shootings or crimes committed with guns (such as burglary with shooting or hold-up with guns etc) go down DRASTICALLY.

It's a tender balance: criminals do not require AK47's or assault rifles if none of the target populace have guns.

Statistical science backs me up.

You are 100% correct sir..

I been entertaining the thought of a book..only thing is..I'm too "honest" for my own good..which would prolly piss off a lot of people..including some coppers..

I will tell it how it REALLY is..not what you see on "COPS" with the cameras rollin'..Reno 911 is more realistic than that program..and that is not far from the truth..trust me!

[OnlineStageGear]

its never been easy to get a gun so there is no stock pile of weapons in the public domain. well you can but its very hard to do so iligaly. its a 7 years in prison just for having one.

i supose if you just banned all guns over night in the states and all the legit owners handed there guns back in that it would be a criminals paradice.

It is "supposed" to be 5 years here as well, atleast in most states. But like most gun laws here, BTW there are over 20,000 gun laws inplace) they are rarely enforced.

[OnlineStageGear]

GLORIA: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?
ARCHIE BUNKER: Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed out of windows?