WTF is wrong the US

[yard dawg]

Well it seems this thread has covered many issues besides the enemy trashing us on our soil and getting away with it.. Economy,civil rights being eroded and Isreal.

The economy sux but it will rebound. The economy goes in cycles. ALways has. Youd better worry about corporate control more than govt control

Someone mentioned we shouldnt protect Isreal. I think we should let Isreak take care of the Muslims. They wont have politically correct mercy on them like we are. Isreal will destroy there enemies without mercy like we should do. Go Isreal!!!

The bottom line is we bitch about Iran getting nukes and make them the new enemy but when we have the chance to off the president of Iran on our own soil we dont. Screw the diplomatic crap. If you recall the leader of Iran was one of the people who took our hostages back in the day. He didnt care about the diplomatic process and laws then. We shoulda killed him when he was here. Russia and China would have pitched a small fit but they would have gotten over it.

[SouthPlatteDemon]

I like Sweden..alot of my favorite bands come from there.

I only have two "gripes" ..healthcare and the price of gas is pathetic.

I don't like government with a special interest agendas. I loathe the idea of MY money paying for ingrateful deadbeats who can't pay their bills. I never even got a thank you card when I did..so fuggums.

It's all about me..

If everyone had that self-preseving mindset, there would be mess less a burden on those that do.

Your an objectivist at heart. Now go all the way and see the entire show!

Check out philosophies by Ayn Rand. Here it is in a nutshell.

Objectivism, holds that:
Reality exists as an objective absolute—facts are facts, independent of man's feelings, wishes, hopes or fears.
Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses) is man's only means of perceiving reality, his only source of knowledge, his only guide to action, and his basic means of survival.
Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life.
The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man's rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.

[SouthPlatteDemon]

I make no distinction between political parties. They are equally fucked up, pick a lesser of two evils at the time. We'll have a democrat president after the next election and we'll be hearing the same things -- only it will be Republicans whining like school girls...today its the Democrats whining like school girls. Its a never ending cycle and I can't understand the firm affiliation with either party myself

+1

[pott]

I am probably the only one here, possibly because I did not know anyone directly affected by 9-11, but I didn't think 9-11 was a big deal.

This isn't to belittle its significance, or magnitude of the tragedy, but who doesn't know that a crazy person can wreak havoc on a group of defenseless people.

I amazed that anyone did not think this was a possibility until it happened- yes even in America.

The ridiculous histeria over OMFG 9-11 is crazy to me.

There are a million ways that someone with nothing to lose could bring thousands of people down. And that's just a few uneducated jerks. Not even a biochemist or C130 pilot.

I don't need to give examples, but 9-11 is a dictators dream. People immediately see the benefit of giving all individual rights away, go ridiculously into debt to wage war to save just one life on American soil and here we are. and bring us all together in the name of those folks on 9-11.

This came just in time after the .com crash, telecom crash, before we realized the real estate boom. Coincidence....probably.

Interesting to me, the impact to me from 9-11 is the knee jerk loss of freedom we gave ourselves and the sending of troops overseas, not any fear of Islamic terrorists on American soil.

I kind of agree. In Europe we've had plane hijackings for as long as I can remmeber and the French special forces became ace at erm...'solving' these situations. Same, in Paris while I lived there we had a string of attacks in the 90s in the underground. I still took the underground every week. There was no fear despite the high death counts.
Not to mention the terrorists were known to be in possession of weapons before they boarded the planes weren't they? Go figure... :s

[SouthPlatteDemon]

Well it seems this thread has covered many issues besides the enemy trashing us on our soil and getting away with it.. Economy,civil rights being eroded and Isreal.

The economy sux but it will rebound. The economy goes in cycles. ALways has. Youd better worry about corporate control more than govt control

Someone mentioned we shouldnt protect Isreal. I think we should let Isreak take care of the Muslims. They wont have politically correct mercy on them like we are. Isreal will destroy there enemies without mercy like we should do. Go Isreal!!!

The bottom line is we bitch about Iran getting nukes and make them the new enemy but when we have the chance to off the president of Iran on our own soil we dont. Screw the diplomatic crap. If you recall the leader of Iran was one of the people who took our hostages back in the day. He didnt care about the diplomatic process and laws then. We shoulda killed him when he was here. Russia and China would have pitched a small fit but they would have gotten over it.

See everyone. I'm not the only American with this attitude.

[pott]

Muslims aren't the enemy.

[danastas]

See everyone. I'm not the only American with this attitude.

LOL.

That was the funniest post on this thread.

[atomic charvel guy]

We're all fukked up, come to grips with that and we'll be fine. To thyne own self be true right. What if my own self is not good, then why be true to it-lol

[SouthPlatteDemon]

Muslims aren't the enemy.

No of course not. It's the ones that take the Koran literally and kill others in the name of it.

We have freaks over here too. Oklahoma City is just one example and then there are the school shootings. Of course if we found out that a municipality was funding and providing resources to train and recruit freaks that kill others, then they would be dealt with accordingly. Same is true about the entire world in a global economy. The US has become the police for the world because we have the most to lose. This is because we have included the rest of the world in our economy and way of life.

Only good things can come if the other nations in the world held the same general beliefs about the freedom to live as the United States has.

[horns666]

Tommy is a good example of self-preseving mindset.

He adjusted things to maintain his lifestyle and happiness without relying on others.

No matter if he made boo-koo bucks or just a few..he's still kickin' ass, and content..which is obvious!!

I worked as a cop for many years..trust me, nobody lost that much "freedom"..We just hear we lost it everday on tv..or wait longer at airports while being checked. I'm nervous to fly without the thought of blowin' up..let 'em check my balls for explosives. I'll turn and cough and save a visit to the doctor's office.

911 was a terrible thing done by terrible people that hate our "freedom". They are the enemy, because they chosed to be. It's kill or be killed..something humans been doing for how many milleniums?

Blame them for any freedoms lost, not your own who attempt to protect us.

"Freedom cost a buck o' five"..

I think

SPD, Yeah man ..I can identify with some of that.

[danastas]

A dictators dream, maybe, but for families and friends nothing but anger, despair, and tears. I can guarantee it, and to me, that was not imaginable to me that we wou;ld take it in the ass on our own homeland , just my point of view, as you stated in the beginning of your post, i'm happy that you did not lose anyone that day, you're fortunate.

I have to disagree with you here. I mentioned my brother on Wall Street in a previous post. Where did he use to work? The World Trade Center. He had a meeting up town that morning. Lost a lot of friends.

He called me 7 minutes after the first plain hit. Yes, 7 minutes. I was still asleep. Do you know why he called me so quick? Because he knew. He told my mother back in 1993 that after they tried to take down the towers the first time, that everyone in there went to work every day knowing they were a big target. My mother worried about it for 8 freakin' years. Trust me, I heard it all the time. Working there was an example of cognitive dissonance for everyone that stepped through those doors.

That's why when our CIA reported that "Al Qaeda Determined to Attack" and "Use of Airplanes as Bombs is Likely" in the summer of 2001, and this came across the desk of our Administration, there was no hiding from the excuse that this all came out of the blue. It was even predictable. Hell, we know where we're vulnerable right now. The NYC Subway is a death trap. We have naked nuclear reactors all around the country just waiting to get hit. 95% of the cargo that's offloaded in our ports never gets looked at. And if something horrible happens, then what do we say? Gee, what a surprise?

[pott]

No of course not. It's the ones that take the Koran literally and kill others in the name of it.

We have freaks over here too. Oklahoma City is just one example and then there are the school shootings. Of course if we found out that a municipality was funding and providing resources to train and recruit freaks that kill others, then they would be dealt with accordingly. Same is true about the entire world in a global economy. The US has become the police for the world because we have the most to lose. This is because we have included the rest of the world in our economy and way of life.

Only good things can come if the other nations in the world held the same general beliefs about the freedom to live as the United States has.

Exactly.
Except about the freedom to live. Every American who's lived foreign told me they had more freedoms and felt better abroad. That's quite a lot. Everybody's different of course. I feel perfectly free in the UK, Holland or France.
Americans, sorry to tell you that, but most western country provide just the same freedom.

[danastas]

I like Sweden..alot of my favorite bands come from there.

I only have two "gripes" ..healthcare and the price of gas is pathetic.

I don't like government with a special interest agendas. I loathe the idea of MY money paying for ingrateful deadbeats who can't pay their bills. I never even got a thank you card when I did..so fuggums.

It's all about me..

If everyone had that self-preseving mindset, there would be mess less a burden on those that do.

Bill, I am not trying to get personal with you, but on this very board you have written that you're a cop on disability. You have a government job with government health care. What else more is there to say? Some small business owner out there is pissed at you because he can't afford his own health care, nor his employees, and yet he has to pay yours.

[Bengal]

I am probably the only one here, possibly because I did not know anyone directly affected by 9-11, but I didn't think 9-11 was a big deal.

This isn't to belittle its significance, or magnitude of the tragedy, but who doesn't know that a crazy person can wreak havoc on a group of defenseless people.

I amazed that anyone did not think this was a possibility until it happened- yes even in America.

The ridiculous histeria over OMFG 9-11 is crazy to me.

There are a million ways that someone with nothing to lose could bring thousands of people down. And that's just a few uneducated jerks. Not even a biochemist or C130 pilot.

I don't need to give examples, but 9-11 is a dictators dream. People immediately see the benefit of giving all individual rights away, go ridiculously into debt to wage war to save just one life on American soil and here we are. and bring us all together in the name of those folks on 9-11.

This came just in time after the .com crash, telecom crash, before we realized the real estate boom. Coincidence....probably.

Interesting to me, the impact to me from 9-11 is the knee jerk loss of freedom we gave ourselves and the sending of troops overseas, not any fear of Islamic terrorists on American soil.

I can agree with what your saying. But we did know that it was possible. That was the second time the WTC was targeted. And have we forgotten about Tim McVeigh and what he did in OK City? Where was the knee-jerk reaction there? Were was the rush to give up civil liberties there? Where was the War on Militias then? Didn't happen. People didn't freak out as much, and I'm not sure why. Must be the body count? Or the fact that the "enemy" after 9/11 wasn't white. One or the other I'm guessing...

Bush was very fortunate that 9/11 happened. It allowed him to do what he wanted to do all along...

[pott]

Oh and in Europe we've had WAY LESS terrorist attacks since the past 10 years. We haven't lost any freedoms, we don't have any patriot act and we haven't invaded other countries. That doesn't go for the UK of course