WTF is wrong the US

[442w30]

Perry Mason was gay. Matlock wore nice suits. I know, I can be Perry Matlock.

Cause you are gay with a nice suit?

[danastas]

Danastas..I'm a facist in YOUR view. If being a "facist" is wrong, I don't want to be right..because it saved many lives including my own!

I was saying that our "freedom" is at the discretion of law enforcement, but you said I was "wrong" . We can hold someone on gut feeling if something doesn't "feel right" until further invest. It's based on how we articulate of our actions. The credibility of the officer also plays a role. That is the first we learn as officers which we call CYA. It was always like this that way before 911. So not that much has changed.


Suspicios behavior is Probably Cause ..a red flag to further invest and arrest. We check all criminal record, warrants and their behavior at time of arrest. If anything we slap with a disorderly condut. Which is a common CYA tactic, in case they harm someone if we let them go immediately. That's that 6th sense we have, police intuition, good 'ol fasion police work..like you hear on TV and ect. All good facist have it.

That's what I meant by we didn't lose much "freedom" before and after 911. All that did was trigger and develope an aggressive proactive system which wasn't in place before. The "excuse" to impose on our liberties I guess. If we had this system in place the chances of the magnitude of 911 would prolly been unlikely if any. We would have cocked blocked their attempt(s)..as we've done several times since. I worked at the airport and airport securit was ver lazy and lax. I could see how that happened, and suprised it took that long. Cops don't write department procedures we follow them and do the best we can within' that scope. Police are only called if a checker discovered a weaopn or something suspicious at the checkpoints. There was only 5-6 of us to cover that entire airport.

I'm an example, if this system was in place at that time, I would still be working. Instead on March 29th 2001 I met with violent, highly intoxicated, big corrections officer on a plane with over 200 on board who were frozen fear. They watched him brutally beat three female flight crew and co-pilot trying to assist but overpowered. He returned to the cockpit when this male was kicking the door while being diverted to Cleveland. Where I met him and the fight was on. I beat, and arrested this male while a broken neck. If this was after 911 he would have been shot by a Sky Marshall, which I wished were the case..but he's in jail for a ver long time. One woman had to get her jaw wired and never been the same since. I been in pain since that incident and why I pay $735 a month for my wife, kid and myself. My pension is just shy of 40K a year. I would be making double that if I was actively working because we are very short-handed with many hours availuable.

I'm not angry with you, just wanted to shine some much needed light on your perception. You're sheltered and naive which is blatant in your thinking. Be thankful, I find people like you much more easier going, relaxed and less cynical than people like myself...you're very lucky.

I know I just wasted time peeing on a wet rope..because you have it all figured out...good for you man!!

Like your friend who broke the law..you have a little prob with authority in general. So the bias that you mention is not just ethnic is nature..I've grown used to that. It's glaring red in your words, and minset which I become very in tune with. I heard similar and MUCH worse for years on end. I didn't arrest your buddy, I never arrested anyone for something like that, we didn't handle any of that stuff...but I'm retired remember?

Much love back Rich!!!

OK..I'm going to play my guitar now..what a concept.

Well, you went off Bill. And if you do think people should be thrown in jail for political views, you are a fascist. And if you think civil rights are worth shit, then you are a fascist.

If this is a country where people will get thrown in jail for doing practically nothing just because they have unpopular political views, well then the country sucks. My friend broke the law, so straight to jail? Even if his offense was less a problem than going 5 miles over the speed limit? Have you ever broken the speed limit? Should you be in jail if you answer yes?

I thought these same things when I worked both in law enforcement and as a corrections officer 18 years ago. But it doesn't surprise me because half the people I worked with felt the way you did.

[fett]

Cause you are gay with a nice suit?

No. Because Perry Matlock would have wrapped this whole argument up 13 pages ago.

[442w30]

No. Because Perry Matlock would have wrapped this whole argument up 13 pages ago.

I must agree. Where were you 13 pages ago?

[horns666]

Well, you went off Bill. And if you do think people should be thrown in jail for political views, you are a fascist. And if you think civil rights are worth shit, then you are a fascist.

If this is a country where people will get thrown in jail for doing practically nothing just because they have unpopular political views, well then the country sucks. My friend broke the law, so straight to jail? Even if his offense was less a problem than going 5 miles over the speed limit? Have you ever broken the speed limit? Should you be in jail if you answer yes?

I thought these same things when I worked both in law enforcement and as a corrections officer 18 years ago. But it doesn't surprise me because half the people I worked with felt the way you did.

Dude, I can't identify with one word you said. I didn't write speeding tickets, or said anying pro or con about your friend on his political crap, nor do I care really..

I talked about PUSSY!

I believe civil rights should be reserved for civil people who don't cause serious physical harm to the females serving him on a plane. Or a co-pilot who got his ass beat attempting to help. That could be your sister, wife, mom ..so on. Ummm..I "went off"..when?

I was right, I'm peeing on a wet rope. You were a correction officer and law enforcement. nahhhh nope buying that one!!

But I will buy you a "Don't taze me bro" T-shirt for your next protest..

Let me start..Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuyaaaaa Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Ohhhhh Lord, Kumbuya.

[Strat God]

Hey Fett - you remember Mannix?

[fett]

Hey Fett - you remember Mannix?

He wore GREAT sportcoats.:ROTF: But he was a Private Dick. Not a lawyer.:ROTF: He would have investigated this thread and would have reported back that there are a lot of angry poeple that use the web to vent.

[danastas]

Dude, I can't identify with one word you said. I didn't write speeding tickets, or said anying pro or con about your friend on his political crap, nor do I care really..

I talked about PUSSY!

I believe civil rights should be reserved for civil people who don't cause serious physical harm to the females serving him on a plane. Or a co-pilot who got his ass beat attempting to help. That could be your sister, wife, mom ..so on. Ummm..I "went off"..when?

I was right, I'm peeing on a wet rope. You were a correction officer and law enforcement. nahhhh nope buying that one!!

But I will buy you a "Don't taze me bro" T-shirt for your next protest..

Let me start..Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuyaaaaa Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Ohhhhh Lord, Kumbuya.

Believe or not, some sane people make it through training. I know it's hard to believe.

New Haven, Ct. Not exactly a nice place. That's where I worked. I guess in Cleveland you have to be a yahoo.

[StukaJU87]

But I will buy you a "Don't taze me bro" T-shirt for your next protest..

Let me start..Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuyaaaaa Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Ohhhhh Lord, Kumbuya.

BillZ Bub, I have been staying out of this thread on purpose, but I just had to say........THAT SHIT IS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!

[fett]

One-Adam-12. We have a U812 in progress. Proceed with caution. They are using loaded keyboards.

[horns666]

Danastas "Believe or NOT, some sane people make it through training. I know it's hard to believe."

Ok..NOT!!!!

OK, Officer Dana..who don't know how a police pension works. What did you do while on basic patrol..save the wales, plant a tree, write fake tickets for not driving a hybrid??

you go boyeeeeeeeee..:ROTF:


Yahoooooooooooooooooooooo

[toejam]

One-Adam-12. We have a U812 in progress. Proceed with caution. They are using loaded keyboards.

OU812? I81B4U. :ROTF:

[fett]

Baretta would just go back in the the restaurant to get his gun. You had best not be sitting in your car while you guys are typing this stuff.

[danastas]

Danastas "Believe or NOT, some sane people make it through training. I know it's hard to believe."

Ok..NOT!!!!

OK, Officer Dana..who don't know how a police pension works. What did you do while on basic patrol..save the wales, plant a tree, write fake tickets for not driving a hybrid??

you go boyeeeeeeeee..:ROTF:

Yahoooooooooooooooooooooo

Made the world a better place. As I do each and every day. People thank God that I was born. I don't blame them.

[lerxstcat]

It's illegal to mail wine period. If you're not a distributor.

And this offense is not punishable by jail, normally.

If you want to know the legalese, federal mail fraud falls under a breach of contract law. In the federal system, it isn't a felony. It's the equivalent of breaking a contract. With the Patriot Act, however. There's a new wrinkle in the interpretation of laws. Let's say you're a terrorist that is planning to, but has not yet mailed his potentially explosive substances. The Patriot Act has a provision called "theory of felony" that allows them to prosecute before the crime is committed. Why? Because many of these substances aren't restricted, nor are they illegal. Similar to the wine. Only the mailing of them "over state lines" is illegal. In this case, the item was mailed from New York to Penn. The "over state lines" part is crucial because otherwise the state has juridiction, and this guy was already cleared by the state. If the Fed. prosecutor can convince the jury that a breach of contract law can amount to a theory of a felony, then he will have achieved his goal.

It gets even more technical than this, and I can break it down for you. You said I'm not giving enough information earlier, but I didn't purposely because the whole case relies on, as far as I'm concerned, technicalities that are simply put into use because they don't like this guy's politics.

Okay, very simple questions here:

1. You said your friend was being charged with treason. Is that true, or was that hyperbole on your part?

2. What kind of prison time is your friend facing if convicted as the Federal prosecutors are seeking?

3. Did you hear or see any of this firsthand, or are you going by what your friend has told you?

Until you can answer these questions directly and without spin, I have to think you're spouting a bunch of bullshit, simply because you're dancing around these basic questions. Usually when someone doesn't want to answer basic questions, it's because they're full of shit.

So, prove me wrong. I really want you to. Just answer the questions without twisting and spinning.