WTF is wrong the US

[jacksoncsplayer]

If this guy gets the NUKES he desires there's gonna be a big fukkin mess.

He is dangerous!

[Baum83]

We have free speech . He isnt an american so our constitution doesnt apply to him. Just like you dont have any constitutional rights here. The Freedoms we have here are for americans only and not a foreign dictator. Also this guys is in bed with the russians developing nuclear weapons so you better care dude. If he sets off a bomb in america your country will get some fall out.

If I'm not mistaken, the Bill of Rights is applicable to anyone, regardless of nationality, political attitude or general assholiness.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Not that I don't think he's an asshole, but you've gotta practice what you preach.

[Accept2]

This reminds me of the 80s when everyone vilianized South Africa and said if they ever get the bomb, they would nuke all their neighbors. Then in the 90s everyone discouvered they did in fact have the bomb, 6 war heads to be exact, and no one got nuked. Iran probobly already has the bomb and has had it for sometime. You guys can go live in fear, but remember around the globe, Iran has a better reputation than the US. More people on this globe are fearful of Americans with the bomb than anyone in Iran with the bomb..............

[rjohnstone]

If I'm not mistaken, the Bill of Rights is applicable to anyone, regardless of nationality, political attitude or general assholiness.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Not that I don't think he's an asshole, but you've gotta practice what you preach.

You are correct sir.
The Bill of Rights applies to anyone in the U.S.
Citizen or not, these basic rights are afforded to all persons.

Yard Dawg, I'm surprised that you do not already know this.

That being said, I still think "Amuhnutjob" is not right in the head.
He needs to have an "accident".

[442w30]

More people on this globe are fearful of Americans with the bomb than anyone in Iran with the bomb..............

I wouldn't go that far, unless you are counting the Middle East, China and France as "the rest of the world".

If most of Western and Eastern Europe, Australia, Canada, Mexico, South America, Africa (as a whole), India, Japan, Spain, and Italy are really worried about American nukes, I'd be surprised.

You are right to a point though, our rep is a bit tarnished on this. I'd be hard pressed to bill the USA as the boogieman unless you are really out of touch.

The fact is he has a right to speak. We have a right to deny his visit and did not. I don't think his gov't would allow our president to speak over there as openly as we allows his. A point that is lost on those people and many others.

[horns666]

..He looks like he smells of pee.

Well, I'd sure pee on him..that would be cool.

[Accept2]

I don't think his gov't would allow our president to speak over there as openly as we allows his. A point that is lost on those people and many others.

Bingo! and thats why its important to have him speak in the US............

[Cygnus X1]

I've been out of the country a bit, have contact with europeans that visit here, so I'm not sheltered. Two problems: The perception of the US around the world is largely from the trash that Hollywood spews. It's like trying to have an intelleigent conversation about politics with someone who gets their news from Comedy Central.
Another is, like so many other examples throughout history, you know who the leader is, because that's the one with most arrows in his back.

[Cygnus X1]

Bingo! and thats why its important to have him speak in the US............

Bingo! That's why the world percieves us as weak!

[Bengal]

I've been out of the country a bit, have contact with europeans that visit here, so I'm not sheltered. Two problems: The perception of the US around the world is largely from the trash that Hollywood spews. It's like trying to have an intelleigent conversation about politics with someone who gets their news from Comedy Central.
Another is, like so many other examples throughout history, you know who the leader is, because that's the one with most arrows in his back.

You really think that people in Europe or Asia or wherever form their views about the US from US television? That's a bit of a strech...

Actually it's rather refreshing to hear foreign propaganda for once. I'm gonna puke if I have to watch another freedomwatch.org bullshit commercial. Home grown propaganda...

[Accept2]

Bingo! That's why the world percieves us as weak!

Weak?!? No, the world views you as an absolute agressor with a caveman mentality. World politics is like playing chess, but the US doesnt understand that. For instance, the US tells everyone that Iran are blood thirsty savages and supress human rights. Iran tells the Muslim world that the US are blood thirsty savages and supress the rights of Muslims. One day the US allows the Iranian leader to speak on US soil. If he gets assassinated, the Iranian leaders must have been right. If he speaks and comes back home without insident, then maybe there is something to think about. Maybe when he said that about the US, it wasnt true. If thats not true then what else has he said thats not true?.....
When a country is given freedom its meaningless. Just look at Iraq. When a country fights within itself for freedom, it means something. Planting a seed in the minds of Iranians is a better chess move than trying to get involved with them in a war, handing freedom over to its citizens, and then having rebellion against you because you've just proven that you are the blood thristy savages the previous dictator said you were.................

[Cygnus X1]

You really think that people in Europe or Asia or wherever form their views about the US from US television? That's a bit of a strech...

Actually it's rather refreshing to hear foreign propaganda for once. I'm gonna puke if I have to watch another freedomwatch.org bullshit commercial. Home grown propaganda...

Let's both go to the beloved example of freedom, Iran, and have this kind of debate. Because I would have to puke if I hear any more of the hippocracy that comes from the deep corners of either side of the political spectrum.
But we can do it, and we fight for the right to do it.

Achmadeenashad <sp> is just a puppet of the regime, the clerics picked someone who could appeal to the middle class of Iran, when he gets too far out of line, he'll be thrown overboard. It isn't him I get worked up about, it's the kind of anti-americanism that the world loves to propogate, just to be fashionable. Where in the world doesn't everyone bitch about the boss?

It's when people fail to realize, that as flawed as this country is, we still have a thousand percent better chance here than the most of the places that hate us so much. Oh, I've seen it, it's more fashionable to live in this hellhole, on the dole in the form of "grants", and spit in the face of those that made all those "grants" possible. Even worse if those grants are made by corporate dollars. It's hippocracy in it's most infantile form, and it fits the "worldview" that us common ignorant Americans are just sheep.
Fuggit, I'm laughing my way to the bank, and saying what I want while NOT getting my tongue cut off.

I'm going to spin some Yoko Ono LP's.....

[Bengal]

Let's both go to the beloved example of freedom, Iran, and have this kind of debate. Because I would have to puke if I hear any more of the hippocracy that comes from the deep corners of either side of the political spectrum.
But we can do it, and we fight for the right to do it.

Achmadeenashad <sp> is just a puppet of the regime, the clerics picked someone who could appeal to the middle class of Iran, when he gets too far out of line, he'll be thrown overboard. It isn't him I get worked up about, it's the kind of anti-americanism that the world loves to propogate, just to be fashionable. Where in the world doesn't everyone bitch about the boss?

It's when people fail to realize, that as flawed as this country is, we still have a thousand percent better chance here than the most of the places that hate us so much. Oh, I've seen it, it's more fashionable to live in this hellhole, on the dole in the form of "grants", and spit in the face of those that made all those "grants" possible. Even worse if those grants are made by corporate dollars. It's hippocracy in it's most infantile form, and it fits the "worldview" that us common ignorant Americans are just sheep.
Fuggit, I'm laughing my way to the bank, and saying what I want while NOT getting my tongue cut off.

I'm going to spin some Yoko Ono LP's.....

30 years ago you may be right, now I'm not so sure...

Iran is what it is. The middle east is what it is. The fact that our president thinks that democracy will work there is quite laughable...

I'm not concerned about what goes on in Iran. I'm more concerned about places like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, than Iran. I don't see them as a huge threat. But they see us as one. We would feel the same way too if North Korea came in and invaded Mexico and tried to set up shop. I think we would have a big problem with that...

[Cygnus X1]

Weak?!? No, the world views you as an absolute agressor with a caveman mentality. World politics is like playing chess, but the US doesnt understand that..................

Neville Chamberlain was one of those chess players.

Winston Churchill had the nuts to stand up.
And so on, ad nauseum...

Accept 2, at least recognize that we can even debate these things.
I appreciate that freedom most of all. I can't defend the United States' actions in the world, but I will do whatever it takes to let anyone have the opportunity to debate, and determine their destiny, as we can.

Even though you are a bit north of the frostline in idealogy for my tastes...

[Accept2]

Accept 2, at least recognize that we can even debate these things.
I appreciate that freedom most of all. I can't defend the United States' actions in the world, but I will do whatever it takes to let anyone have the opportunity to debate, and determine their destiny, as we can.

Even though you are a bit north of the frostline in idealogy for my tastes...

If you want to do whatever it takes to let anyone have the oppotunity to debate, why not let the leader of Iran speak with freedom of speech. As for idealogy, yes libertarians are too scary for most Americans...............