WTF is wrong the US

[pott]

I'm still waiting to hear from SouthPlatteDemon. Do many other Americans feel France and the coalition shouldn't have helped in Afghanistan and that it was an inconsiderate and wrong action to take?

[danastas]

Probably because ROTC is NOT allowed on that campus while MyMood Ineedajihad is..

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/rotc/

You guys should not believe all the right-wing propaganda about univiersities, most of which is funded by Mellon-Scaife. I've even had a friend paid $400k to make a documentary about professors, and what a waste of $400k that was.

[SouthPlatteDemon]

I'm still waiting to hear from SouthPlatteDemon. Do many other Americans feel France and the coalition shouldn't have helped in Afghanistan and that it was an inconsiderate and wrong action to take?

Do you still beat your wife?

You know I'm talking about Iraq not Afghanistan.

[pott]

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, unlike what you implied. If France thought you had no valid reasons to go there, then so be it. I don't see how refusing to take part was such an insult or how it made us an 'enemy'.

I don't quite get the wife comment.

I also don't get how that makes me personally an enemy. Did I chose not to go to Iraq? I don't think so. I don't pay French taxes, I don't vote, I don't live there... so I'm an enemy because your president couldn't prove his war and as a result 'my' president chose not to go to war?

[SouthPlatteDemon]

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, unlike what you implied. If France thought you had no valid reasons to go there, then so be it. I don't see how refusing to take part was such an insult or how it made us an 'enemy'.

I don't quite get the wife comment.

Don't lie to yourself. It is all related to 9/11. Duh.

France didn't want us to go there because France is in bed with Saddam and his son. Oil!

You don't get it? I thought it was funny. Will you answer the question?

[pott]

I'm 21, I'm single That's why I didn't answer the question.

Lying to myself... you're complaining about Iran and THEN complaining that France sold weapons to Saddam?
Do you have any ideas where Saddam got the training and most of his weapons? France were high on the list of weapon supplier for sure... but look at your own country first. I'm certainly not denying that France sold anything to Iraq. You're the one who is attacking France for doing so. Attack your own country first.

Oh also do you have any idea where Ossama got his training?

Where Iran got their weapons? Do you know they have F14s? But it's ok. France probably sold them to Iran. It's ok. I'll take that one. France's famous F14s Tom le chat. With missiles Fenix from le hell.

[danastas]

It's all about the rich screwing the poor. Always was, always will be. Talk of conservatives, moderates and liberals anywhere is all swallowed up by the real game. Who controls who? What kind of propaganda is spewed to keep people in line. If you really believe that the Pres. of Iran is taking this holocaust line because he believes it, you are naive. He's doing it to stick it to Israel to garner votes. His line about the holocaust is no different than Bush's line about Gog and Magog. Both are inflammatory statements meant to appeal to right-wing fundamentalist religious voters. Like I said, these countries would drop the Palestinian cause instantly if only they were getting paid. $$$. You keep your people in line while you collect the rewards. Saudi Arabia has figured this out. Iran hasn't because they want to keep a bigger chunk for themselves, and if I had to choose between ONLY Iran AND Saudi Arabia, I would certainly rather live in Iran, which is a much more westernized country than our so-called allies in Saudi Arabia.

All these so-called issues that blow-up are used to put pressure on people because so that the big boys can reap more of the profits. Let me ask: how much did Iranians care about the Palestinians while the Shah was in charge and Iranian women were walking around in public in mini-skirts in a beautiful city? Look at the Middle East 40 years ago, with beautiful westernized cities like Tehran and Beirut, etc. During the same period, our great so-called Westernized cities like Athens, Prague, Chicago were having huge riots in the streets, with military and police bashing anyone who was protesting. What changed? There are easy answers to these questions, and it all has to do with money.

[Bengal]

What kills me is the idea that we need to do something about Iran while we still can. What makes you think we can? We are fighting a war in Iraq with National Guard members, not full time military. We are not winning that war. We can't clean up New Orleans. Our own economy is in shambles, look how good the dollar is doing against the pound or the euro. We can't pay for the war in Iraq, we have to borrow money from "GASP" China to pay for it...

What makes you think we are in any position to dictate what needs to be done in Iran? Some of you need to get off the idea that we are still a Super Power. The only thing that makes us that still is the nukes we have. We are in NO condition to start a war in Iran. We can't sustain the one in Iraq or Afghanastan....

Yep, we need another war like I need a hole in my head...

[442w30]

Don't lie to yourself. It is all related to 9/11. Duh.

France didn't want us to go there because France is in bed with Saddam and his son. Oil!

You don't get it? I thought it was funny. Will you answer the question?

SPD,
I am going to have to disagree with you on this.
We went to Iraq on the FALSE premise that Afghanistan was done and Saddam had WMDs and was supporting Al-Queda. We went there (who really knows why - let's just say the pres had bad info, which is unlikely, but the USA book answer) and destroyed the oppressive and bad gov't that held a disparate nation together much like Marshall Tito did for Yugoslavia. The created an environment that is/was a haven for terrorists and Sunni on Shiite on Kurd vilence with Al Queda thrown in to create entropy.

France probably didn't see the reason to kick the hornet's nest and we yelled commie when they didn't want to kick it too.

France has a lot of contrarian attitude when it comes to US meddling in the world's affairs, but I wouldn't begrudge any nation for not signing up for that one. I believe that South Korea, Britain and others went there because of their belief in our intelligence reports and assurances by our gov't that we'd find WMDs. They are less sceptical of the USA rationale and that is appreciated, but I don't know of any really good explanation of why we are actually in Iraq.

We are there because they (Iraq) don't have any government control and Al-Queda is terrorizing the people and gov't. The Iraq gov't is unable to control the situation because we crushed the dictator that had it under control through methods we found barbaric. The reason we crushed him wasn't for how he treated his people, but because they had weapons that turned out not to exist. This is circular logic and should bother people.

[SouthPlatteDemon]

I'm 21, I'm single That's why I didn't answer the question.

Lying to myself... you're complaining about Iran and THEN complaining that France sold weapons to Saddam?
Do you have any ideas where Saddam got the training and most of his weapons? France were high on the list of weapon supplier for sure... but look at your own country first. I'm certainly not denying that France sold anything to Iraq. You're the one who is attacking France for doing so. Attack your own country first.

Oh also do you have any idea where Ossama got his training?

Where Iran got their weapons? Do you know they have F14s? But it's ok. France probably sold them to Iran. It's ok. I'll take that one. France's famous F14s Tom le chat. With missiles Fenix from le hell.

Dude, I never once said anything about weapons or military training. Try to stay on topic:

France let us down by trying to shift the worlds support of our military action in Iraq. That makes France a potential enemy and thus this boils down to you cuz your the one that is sticking up for Chirac.

Jesus fucking christ and I'm the one that is being called young and stupid.

[danastas]

What kills me is the idea that we need to do something about Iran while we still can. What makes you think we can? We are fighting a war in Iraq with National Guard members, not full time military. We are not winning that war. We can't clean up New Orleans. Our own economy is in shambles, look how good the dollar is doing against the pound or the euro. We can't pay for the war in Iraq, we have to borrow money from "GASP" China to pay for it...

What makes you think we are in any position to dictate what needs to be done in Iran? Some of you need to get off the idea that we are still a Super Power. The only thing that makes us that still is the nukes we have. We are in NO condition to start a war in Iran. We can't sustain the one in Iraq or Afghanastan....

Yep, we need another war like I need a hole in my head...

My brother who works on Wall Street told me this weekend that in order to keep our banks afloat (because they are completely awash in bad debt from the mortgage crisis) a lot of Sovereign Bank funds have fronted the cash to American banks. China, Indonesia, and even the UAE "national" banks have bought up the debt. As if China didn't already own a huge protion of our future, the real estate meltdown has enabled them to come in and buy even cheaper in order to keep our economy afloat.

[pott]

I'm not sticking up for anybody. I always said Saddam had to be thrown down and while I was against the reasons given for the war in Iraq, I thought it was inevitable. Read again. I never said anything about France being right. I just questioned why it made France an enemy. Chirac tried to shift the world's view JUST LIKE BUSH TRIED to shift it in his side. Chirac, the UN, and most of the world thought there were no WMDs. Bush thought he did.

So basically Bush has the right to start war based on suspicions and intox, he has the right to try to convince the world of it, but no one can say anything?

You're lying to yourself if you think the US didn't get any oil from Iraq before the war...

Oh and Bush admitted having wanted to invade Iraq as and to 'find an excuse' (I believe an actual quote on what he said) as soon as 9/11 happened.

So again... France would be wrong to have their own reasons to NOT go to Iraq... but the US is in the right in selling them weapons including perhaps chemical weapons, in training both Iran and Iraq, and Ossama of course (oh and the Talibans who are killing your boys and French soldiers right now)?
Seriously... I'm not accusing anybody. I'm just stating facts. You are saying France's action were wrong, but that's only because of how you see it. Sorry. Of how propaganda makes you see it.

And yes, the war on Iraq IS based on false intel. Blair admitted to having falsified the documents about potential Uranium from Nigeria ariving in Iraq, as well as those famous pictures being false.

But that's ok. France was wrong. The reasons given were all right.

You're saying I'm defending Chirac without even knowing my stance on the subject.

[horns666]

Since I'm southern Italian, I could have a hint of African in me.

Which could explain my amazing bass abilities and my ginormous appendage known as "The Dark Marsupial".

[pott]

Since I'm southern Italian, I could have a hint of African in me.

Which could explain my amazing bass abilities and my ginormous appendage known as "The Dark Marsupial".

Eh! My flatmate nicknames me the Anaconda Go Europe!

[Bengal]

My brother who works on Wall Street told me this weekend that in order to keep our banks afloat (because they are completely awash in bad debt from the mortgage crisis) a lot of Sovereign Bank funds have fronted the cash to American banks. China, Indonesia, and even the UAE "national" banks have bought up the debt. As if China didn't already own a huge protion of our future, the real estate meltdown has enabled them to come in and buy even cheaper in order to keep our economy afloat.

Quite true and a fact I think most people don't know about...

Think about this. Say tomorrow China stood up and said, "We are tired of waiting for our money. All debts are due right now. Today. Pay up." Do you have any idea what that would do to our economy? Would make the Stock Market Crash of '29 look like a pinata birthday party. It would sink our nation. We would be left in shambles. Could very well be the end of the US as we know it...