WTF is wrong the US

[Shawn Lutz]

Why are you proud?

you'd know if your were an American :ROTF:

[lerxstcat]

Rock on bro Unless you have a grandparent who's foreign, you're American. Take that all 'Irish' folks



That's just me though.

My maternal grandmother was from Ireland, maternal grandpa from Greece. Just in under the line, eh?

Dad's side was here when the Dutch owned New York though....

[pott]

Duno... I ever bash the US. I personally think it's pretty darn stupid to bash a whole country. Glad we do agree on some things Like I said, I never met anybody who forgot on the European side, but I have on the American side. There most likely are on both sides of course. Looks like we're both a bit biased from our experiences

I'd personally kick any Euro's ass who forgot of the sacrifice all those nations made for us, and the rest of the world, in any war. Well I couldn't kick their ass since I'm small, light and have no clue how to fight but you get what I mean...

France involvement wasn't just Yorktown. Lafayette came over with an army, weapons, training, a fleet... He destroyed the British blockade. It's my personal belief that he was a DETERMINING factor in the US' independence. I've studied some of the facts and all the factors were overwhelmingly on the Brit's side without him. And no I'm not biased towards France since I wasn't even born, nor do I give a shit about my country.

[442w30]

Wow, reminds me of a US news report from the early 80's great misinformation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL4HuFv-5g

And a pretty decent Iranian Metal band, even if the Rhoads is an ESP :
Kahtmayan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qAG8LKpoSo&mode=related&search=

[Razor]

Check your facts. I know of no one in Europe who forgot anything. The first thing we study in real depth in history in France is DDay. It's customary for every kid in 9th grade to go on a field trip to the beaches.

But it's ok. Why don't you tell us what France did for you in 1776?

It's not because you bailed us out or however you want to call it that we have to agree with you ALL THE DAMN TIME. It's not. Countries often have different values. Some may coincide, some don't. If you expect Europe to always have your back even in the wrong (not saying the current events are right or wrong, just saying in general), then you're just as forgetting as you claim us Europeans to be. Some countries changed their minds for you. Remeber how the UK was at first towards the US? France is perhaps the only country who's ALWAYS been an ally.

Touche

Hey, I know exactly who helped us bottle up the British in Yorktown, I haven't forgotten. I'm not saying you have to agree with us all the time. Hell, I haven't agreed on us (the US) being in Iraq since it first started. You'll get no opposition from me on that one.

What bothers me is that it seems more and more popular to bash the US over everything than to sit down and have a nice logical non shit slinging conversation about how we're right and the rest of the world is wrong.

NOTE to everyone, that last sentence is a joke. Most of us level headed Americans realize that we're only right about 95% of the time.

[pott]

That's cool. We don't have any WWII memorabillia, my grandparents were all way too young to have done anything.

[442w30]

The French have alwys had the balls to disagree. I'll say that.

They also gave us a "bro deal" on the Louisianna Purchase!

I will say the statue of liberty is a rough old hag - looks British to me (I keed!, I keed!).

Check out the only thing French I have: My Grandfather brought it back from France, can you guess when? LOL. My Dad and his brothers always had fun attacking whoever wore it. It was a fun break from cowboys and Indians I guess.

[pott]

This thread is worth a read. Don't think it really was looked at much when originally posted. Damn sure worth checking out!

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54242

My perception as an American is that Europeans and other of our "so called" allies seem to have short memories and loyalties. It appears to me that many have forgotten who helped bail them out of a couple of world wide conflicts, and helped them rebuild all the while keeping the "Red Bear" at bay. Thanks for forgetting us so quickly.

I too have really thought we should just close our borders and become "isolationist". I'm agree with Teddy Roosevelt 100%, we should walk softly but carry a big whuppin' stick. One of these days the shit will hit the fan yet again, and a lot of you America bashers (overseas and at home) will thank God for the Americans through clenched teeth.

By the way, there has consistently been one remote outpost in the Middle East for the United States since the early 1950's, and that has been Israel. My opinion is that when we abandon them then we are truly doomed. The only reason we have an "agreement" with Saudi Arabia is they were scared shitless in the first Gulf War, and we PAY their price tag as stated several times. I'm sure their blood is thicker than money, and in due time they will prove to be the turncoat's I truly believe they are.

Again, I really suggest checking out the below thread, especially if you are an American, and had close family who fought in World War 2.
http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54242

Check your facts. I know of no one in Europe who forgot anything. The first thing we study in real depth in history in France is DDay. It's customary for every kid in 9th grade to go on a field trip to the beaches. You're knocking off European countries but where's your evidence? I'm met more Americans who had no clue who Lafayette was that Frenchmen/Europeans who didn't know of US involvements in WWI/II...

But it's ok. Why don't you tell us what France did for you in 1776?

It's not because you bailed us out or however you want to call it that we have to agree with you ALL THE DAMN TIME. It's not. Countries often have different values. Some may coincide, some don't. If you expect Europe to always have your back even in the wrong (not saying the current events are right or wrong, just saying in general), then you're just as forgetting as you claim us Europeans to be. Some countries changed their minds for you. Remeber how the UK was at first towards the US? France is perhaps the only country who's ALWAYS been an ally.

How many friggin' times have I heard that argument... whether on here or in real life 'oh dude, you forgot that we bailed you out'... gimme a fucking break...

[lerxstcat]

I agree that the 2 party system is a failed system. I'm more of a libertarian than anything. But like you, being no party for that, have to register for "Something" as well...

I don't see how inviting him to speak is equated with spitting on soldiers. I don't see them doing that at all...

Probably because ROTC is NOT allowed on that campus while MyMood Ineedajihad is..

[442w30]

France has always been a refuge for other people too :s I doubt the US is the ONLY place on Earth.

I don't believe in beind proud in one's country. I was born in France but I didn't chose to be. I left too young to vote. Sure France has done A LOT for the world, so have most countries, but pride would imply me having done something to help out to it. I'm happy and damn glad I was born in a western nation, yes. Proud? No way. That's just me.

I wasn't asking him that as a reason to insult the US, sorry if it came across as that. I was just curious as to why would a person feel pride towards his country. We're pretty damn insignificant at the individual scale, unfortunately.

I don't watch TV and have never done so in my life. I lived without it all along.

TV will jack you up. Your better off without it. My faith in mankind falls fast if I watch the news or even all the damn murder/autopsy/how to kill people shows that are on 24/7.

I grew up in the south, in America where people took pride in working harder than the next guy and not talking about it. The most awesome compliment is to be noticed for busting your Ass without tooting your own horn.

Working with humble southerners that just kick ass at what they do to support their family and their community makes me proud of that community. I always felt this was what made us Americans, knowing you do your best selflessly for the people that depend on you. Your reward is knowing that. Sounds silly, but you can be very happy and at peace with yourself - and proud if you have a community ethic like this.

I know this is not simply an American or Southern thing, sadly across the world, too many people want to get to the top on the backs of the people around them. Much of the world sees this in American news and TV programs. I actually think that is pretty sad.

The majority of Americans aren't a pian in the ass, but the ones that are run around the world f'ing it up for the rest of us - and the world.

[Razor]

But, isn't it too easy to blame it on the American administration, when Chris Patten just yesterday talked about how the EU has abdicated its role in addressing these hotspots? Even better, the UK foreign minister last year said that going after oil in the Middle East is inevitable if we are to keep our economies afloat. This means that at the highest levels gov'ts are preparing for an all out rush to control the oil spigot, no matter how many people die in the meantime. The US is doing the dirty work, and the EU will reap the rewards (which, I'm assuming, will never come now that the region has become a huge mess). Bengal is awaiting for us to take on Saudi Arabia (which makes sense since that's the country funding a great degree of the terrorism) but then the question you have to ask is, why is our US gov't so buddy buddy with the terrorist backers? No, I'm not talking conspiracy. I'm talking about oil. We already have a tacit agreement with the Saudis about oil. It's under control there. They know, we know, that oil ultimately belongs to us, and they are compliant as long as they get paid. If you look at the Middle East, it's all about $$ and oil. Palestinians and Kurds and Saddam's tortures and Iran backing the Shiia, all this is a sideshow. Palestinians are what the Arabs use to stir up public hatred against the Western corporations that come to take their oil. If there were no oil in that region, the Arabs would drop the Palestinians like a hat. But when your Saudi Royal gov't is taking all the oil profits and giving none of them to you, a poor Saudi, you're going to look for the nearest scapegoat, and that's Israel. It should come as no surprise that the biggest terrorist in the region is a son of one of the biggest oil families. This is natural, since he's using religious propaganda to defend his family's interests.

The ultimate question is: do you support wars that maintain our current way of life (which depends on control of oil) or do you think it's wrong to kill other people to support the way you live? That's really what it all boils down to.

This is where a lot of people are getting confused: the Constitution only applies to U.S. Citizens, not visitors.

Along with that protection comes responsibility which cannot be separated from said protection. You accept both or you get nothing.

The responsibility lies in allegience to the United States of America, the dutiful observence of its laws and statutes, and the mutual respect of other peoples and the compatible cultures they bring with them.

By "compatible", I mean those that get along with each other. Islam doesn't get along with anyone else, because at its core is the belief that anyone who is not a Muslim is an infidel and should be killed - this is the duty of a "good Muslim".

All religions have killed in the name of their respective God over the centuries. Islam is the only one that still does it. Proof enough that it is a false system that deserves to be driven out of this and every other nation who values freedom for all.

MarkD I sorta agree. I believe in the principles and ideals that the country is founded upon but I believe we're in need of some major changes in the way we operate.

The constitution is one of the greatest things wrtten but on the same token its not 1776 anymore. Its a different world alogether.

Whenever I hear all the anti-american hate going on I feel inclined to just cut us off from the rest of the world, close the borders, stop all trade (cept eith Canada, as I liek the beer and Hockey) and hand illegal aliens a one way ticket outta here. Let the middle east bathe in all their oil and find other fools to be held hostage on pricing.

Perhaps if we say keep your oil, we don't care, then maybe we can work towards being at self sufficient nation. We'll never adapt unill we are forced to do so, I say do it now and fuck everyone else

i think in the long term that food and water will be worth more than oil and you cant drink oil to survive

this is just one opinion of a simple minded american so please don't flame me

This thread is worth a read. Don't think it really was looked at much when originally posted. Damn sure worth checking out!

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54242

My perception as an American is that Europeans and other of our "so called" allies seem to have short memories and loyalties. It appears to me that many have forgotten who helped bail them out of a couple of world wide conflicts, and helped them rebuild all the while keeping the "Red Bear" at bay. Thanks for forgetting us so quickly.

I too have really thought we should just close our borders and become "isolationist". I'm agree with Teddy Roosevelt 100%, we should walk softly but carry a big whuppin' stick. One of these days the shit will hit the fan yet again, and a lot of you America bashers (overseas and at home) will thank God for the Americans through clenched teeth.

By the way, there has consistently been one remote outpost in the Middle East for the United States since the early 1950's, and that has been Israel. My opinion is that when we abandon them then we are truly doomed. The only reason we have an "agreement" with Saudi Arabia is they were scared shitless in the first Gulf War, and we PAY their price tag as stated several times. I'm sure their blood is thicker than money, and in due time they will prove to be the turncoat's I truly believe they are.

Again, I really suggest checking out the below thread, especially if you are an American, and had close family who fought in World War 2.

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54242

[pott]

France has always been a refuge for other people too :s I doubt the US is the ONLY place on Earth.

I don't believe in beind proud in one's country. I was born in France but I didn't chose to be. I left too young to vote. Sure France has done A LOT for the world, so have most countries, but pride would imply me having done something to help out to it. I'm happy and damn glad I was born in a western nation, yes. Proud? No way. That's just me.

I wasn't asking him that as a reason to insult the US, sorry if it came across as that. I was just curious as to why would a person feel pride towards his country. We're pretty damn insignificant at the individual scale, unfortunately.

I don't watch TV and have never done so in my life. I lived without it all along.

[442w30]

Why are you proud?

Because despite some stupid "war" that will undoubtedly tarnish our name, this country is the only place on earth that welcomes people from different cultures with open arms and allows them to integrate with society, giving them the freedom to choose their government and "pursue happiness" so long as it does not impede their co-citezens pursuit of the same.

This country's ideals and freedom along with resources from its land have brought it to the place where others can ridicule it openly as the leaders of the free world.

Like it or not, despite the open way our media and others depict our lifestyles, it's people overall are good people and nothing like "As seen on TV".

[SEEGERMANY]

Why are you proud?

Because he has a handsome and intelligent neighbor living in Louisiana.

[pott]

Why are you proud?