Rappers...Whassup in da hood?

[horns666]

I hate Country..my father hates country..my mom hates country..and my wife hates country. I knew this guy who like country once. He smelled of beer, cigarettes and Pee...j/king..:ROTF:

Johnny Cash was cool..other than that..fuggit.

Oh, "chicken pickin'" is neat too..but I don't care to hear it...fuggit.

[Strat God]

When we're done here, can we start a post making fun of Country???????
I'd like that a big heap.....

[horns666]

.. Rich, that would have been a great story for Joe Walsh.

Alot of you guys remember when I was constantly on my anti-rap soapbox. Man, I got alot of shit for that..some prolly still hate me for that..but that's OK.

At that time we didn't have the choices we take for granted today. I can't belive people have forgotten where we were just a few years ago..There was ZERO metal, solos, guitar, on TV commercials, media, nada, zilch, nuthin'..and if it did there was Rap mixed in the formula.

That's how I got versed in metal. Popular music drove me deep underground where the sea of metal was vast. Now it's infinite, thanks to pro tools and a new generation raising the bar on virtuocity, speed, technique, brutality and so on..

My intention was to bring Sweden to Cleveland with my band..for the love of At The Gates, Carcass, Dark Tranquilty, Arch Enemy, Darkane and so on. If I were to release the material I've been working on for years ..everyone would think I was copying everyone else. Just another crappy metal band. That took alot of wind out of my sails. It was hard enough to be original when there was only a million metal bands out there..now there's billions. Some newer bands are making my favorite not-so-old metal bands sound dated.

Everyone and their mommy sounds like At The Gates...or Slayer..which equals Lamb Of God and the like.

My wish was a double edged sword. I wanted metal to come back, it certainly did..with a vengeance. Not long ago I always found the new Helloween, Grave Digger, Ark, Gamma Ray, Primal Fear ect in dollar bins. I couldn't believe I found the new Cage cd for a dollar last week..that has not happened in a LONG time. If any used cd even looks "metal" it goes for big money now. There is 90's rap in the dollar bins now..hahahahaa, tag you're it!!!

There is dedicated "heavy metal" sections in most music stores now. It used to be "Popular/Rock" and a huge "Rap/R&B" section..now it's pretty even steven..as it should be.

I don't want it to be ALL metal..then it wouldn't be special anymore. Who in the fuck would have thought re-hashed At The Gate riffs would be so tired or tedious 7 years ago..way too many bands doing it now..including me.

Bands that I thought were gay because they never play solos..are playing solos because it's popular. To me that is still "selling out"..basically, just trying to keep up with everyone else...bahhh..bahhhh ..and the sheople love it!

That would be like if Britney changed her image. Wore some metal bullshit, had a killer band assembled for her and does death vox..it'll prolly happen, if this metal thing keeps up...that's when I'll quit!

[lerxstcat]

..I wrote way too much to get buried.

That was my second post attempt..my PC crashed on my first one..which was actually more elaborate!

I'll quote this post instead of the big one to save bandwidth!

I thought that was a great post, Bill. Very insightful and understanding if the different views of different subcultures. What we have in common is the need to be true to our own.

I just like the Ray Charles quote because it pisses people off, and yet you really can't diss Ray Charles back! He's an icon. It's checkmate in its way, though it also points out the generational aspect. "These kids today and their noise! THAT's not music!"

Exactly what our folks said about our music, and what we've said about some of today's youngsters' music of numerous genres.

It's all about the music that gets you laid, that's where your heart will always be. Especially the stuff that FIRST got you laid.

Hell, I even learned to like Hotel California, which I never cared for - because I picked up a chick at the gig once and she said the way I played that song made her decide to fuck me! So thanks to The Eagles for that piece of ass, even though the song itself bored me!

[horns666]

Nobody ever ribs me..

Does that sound gay..yes, it does..doesn't it?

ribbed for my pleasure..

[lerxstcat]

Based on your typing skills as they are now and the thought, you have bigger issues than worrying about little fett. Take care.

Now Fett, look at your post here. If the kid was thinking like you, he might think you just dissed him right after he took up for you. Not cool, right?

But I'm sure he realizes that you're kidding, and just ribbing a bro - just like people here like to rib you.

I doubt that ANYONE here dislikes you, man. You have personality and your posts are funny. But you DO have a very identifiable style, which people rib you for. Out of affection, not animus.

Just sayin'....

[horns666]

Wassup E..

Ya know, it's all muthafuggin good!!

"Italian Ice" in da hizzzouse!!!

[Endrik]

great post bro

[horns666]

OH Tim.."The Jerk" is awesome!!!

Man, I got a lot of typos in that shit up there..it's late..fuggit!!

[horns666]

..I wrote way too much to get buried.

That was my second post attempt..my PC crashed on my first one..which was actually more elaborate!

[horns666]

Here's my take on this subject. Of course it will be awesome..due to my evergrowing, impeccable wisdom.

There is a place for Rap music, and it needs to exist. My problem was the pop agenga in the states was very one sided for over a decade. I call it the ebonic plague (1992-2002). I do not intend to sound like a racist..nothing could be farther from the truth. I judge people on quality and not color. I'm talking "music" here but, that does go hand-in-hand with politics and culture as well. Like Metal, Rap is a culture with it's own book of rules!

It is important to understand how much influence the media has on people, especially the young. Rap was heavily promoted, and in constant rotation on every radio and TV music chanel. MTV, BET, Much Music, VH-1. It was very universal. You would see the same videos on BET as well as MTV and ect. That was the only problem!

I've been a "metalhead/musician" and had many like minded buds, just like the JCF. We played in bands and got laid..good times. I patroled the ghetto during the peak of hip hop.."fuck the police" and ect. That music wasn't meant for me to enjoy or identify with, actually quite the opposite..ya think?! But, I saw their side of the coin and culture and understood why it was as important to them as metal was to me.

Since there wasn't a rock or metal video to be heard or found on TV, it wasn't cool. Kids had to fit in, and had to embrace what was cool. The term "wigger" was quickly coined. White kids dressed in FUBU-wear, wearing fake gold, speaking in ebonics mirrored what was cool and actually refered to each other with the "N" word"..and it was cool, and they got laid!.

All popular or "rock" was extremely dummied down and injected with rap. That list is endless and should be kept in the closet. All those 10 year old photos..chillin' with yo possie..can you look at that and not feel like a tool. Even the mighty George WTF Lynch tried to make a livin' with "Smoke This"..do you think he's proud of that? I'd say that was the equal to suggin' a dick for beer money!!

BUT, I don't expect black kids to dig the stuff that we do, even tho some do..which is cool. The majority can not relate to metal or rock music and that's understandable. Most "artists" WRITE music that is fun and personal that comes from the heart. The love for making music is the same across the board..in hope that others enjoy it as well.

I don't expect a kid on Kinsman ave to like metal, just as a kid on my street to like rap..some still do. But, they are sporting Metal T-shirts shirts bought from Hot Topic instead of FUBU. They have Guitar Heroe I, II and III, and traded their precious Limp Dick, ICP cds for whateverthefuck is on Headbangers Ball. Many are forming metalcore/ emocore bands ..dressed in black just as we did, and it's now cool..so, the pussy will ensue. If those kids looked/talked like that just 6 years ago..they'd be percieved as reclusive dorks that will go pussyless and ridiculed. As "wiggers" do now..somehow those stragglers didn't get the memo..just as dudes with mullets/skullets didn't. My kid is 13 and my lil' "big" bro is 17..they keep me informed of what is cool!

Now, In C/W music lyrics: Like I said before, music is to be fun and to escape. Sometimes the goofier the better, on both sides of the coin. Finally, there is two sides to the coin after all these years. That one sided coin was flipped for far too, depriving kids the power of Rock N' Roll. The coin read hip hop on both sides. Now it reads hip hop/R & B on one side and rock/metal on the other. Something for everybody. Now suburnites don't have to play the role, and be a square peg in a round hole. The can sport their messy Beatle-mop, like their buds and get sweet poon...sweet, awesome poon.

It's all about the poon. Girls like what's "cool" and dudes in bands again. More and more girls are going to metal shows, in metal bands, and play Guitar Heroe and/or real ones. I thinks that's awesome!!!

This is not a matter of race. It is a matter leveling the playing field..and giving a choice.

NOW, I don't have to listen to rap if I don't want to. I can turn the chanel or station and connect to something that don't give me a fuggin' rash!

I didn't have this luxury during the 90's. Even the local news anchors tried to rap the news..that was fucked up!

Yes, there is some truly fun rap songs, but I never really took them seriously!

Bill Z Bub

[thetroy]

Yeah stop dissing rap it is quality entertainment. Note I said entertainment, NOT music. How can you not be amused by brilliant lyrics like this:

Move bitch, get out the way
Get out the way bitch, get out the way
Move bitch, get out the way
Get out the way bitch, get out the way
Move bitch, get out the way
Get out the way bitch, get out the way
Move bitch, get out the way
Get out the way bitch, get out the way

Besides - rap facilitates grinding with hot drunk 18 year olds. Who doesn't like that?

[nsubulysses]

Isn't this a forum for guitar players/lovers? Where is the guitar in rap? there may be some guitar use in rap, but lets face it.... rap is just a poor attempt at making money without having much talent. To name one rap artist that is trained either by a school or music teacher may be possible, but I challenge you to name more than 5! However.... in any other form of music.... Metal, Classical, country etc.... I challenge you to name 5 or more people that are trained either by a school or teachers to play the instrument of their choice, thats easy! My point is....rap is so easy that even someone without a high school education can make money doing it! Where is the talent?

Rap songs don't just spew out of your ass like your comments on this thread. The song idea has to be thought of and then made just like any other song anyone else writes no matter what instrument they play.

Someone who is a rapper who says, "Rock music is bullshit! I could stomp around and yell and make loud noise, too! Any asshole can do that!" can say that just as validly as you can say that rap is not music.

[hippietim]

Isn't this a forum for guitar players/lovers? Where is the guitar in rap? there may be some guitar use in rap, but lets face it.... rap is just a poor attempt at making money without having much talent. To name one rap artist that is trained either by a school or music teacher may be possible, but I challenge you to name more than 5! However.... in any other form of music.... Metal, Classical, country etc.... I challenge you to name 5 or more people that are trained either by a school or teachers to play the instrument of their choice, thats easy! My point is....rap is so easy that even someone without a high school education can make money doing it! Where is the talent?

You are confusing making music with being a technically trained musician.

Kurt Cobain was a pitiful guitarist and a terrible singer. Where is the talent? Umm...he wrote compelling songs that spoke to a large number of people. Same goes for Neil Young, Willie Nelson, Kiss, and many others.

Assuming you meet your own minimum criteria (IOW, you have a high school education), I challenge you to create a 2 minute rap song. No dorky spoofs - create a real rap tune - it should be a piece of cake for a guy like you who clearly has talent

Just curious, what does a high school education have to do with being able to create music anyhow?

[Boxcar Willie 84]

and everybody in rock and metal bands have phds???