What killed Hair Metal?

[toejam]

Compare Dokken to Ratt... Ratt's music was full of groove and sexuality and cool blues based progressions... that's why they were 10 times more popular than Dokken.

Not for me. I was always a way bigger Dokken fan than Ratt. I love Don's voice, and he sounds just like Klaus Meine from the Scorpions. The Scorpions even had Don fill in for him for a brief period when he had some kind of health problems or something.

Anyway, I liked Ratt, too, but I think Stephen Pearcy's voice kinda sucked. Hell, I was also a Motley Crue fan, but Vince Neil also sounds like shit. Don's got a better voice than both of them.

[horns666]

Put a Eggplant in your Sweatpants..the people love it!

[blindmuddy]

See, I don't care about all that. I want a solid musical performance, a good mix and an energetic crowd in a good venue. I could care less if they're in sweats and a slayer shirt or wearing $1000 suits. Sometimes I want to see performers, but when I go see a band I like, I want to hear them as musicians.

It's all about the music. I don't care about their image or fashion statements.

Well said. Just a matter of substance over style , fashion, image etc.

[Endrik]

See, I don't care about all that. I want a solid musical performance, a good mix and an energetic crowd in a good venue. I could care less if they're in sweats and a slayer shirt or wearing $1000 suits. Sometimes I want to see performers, but when I go see a band I like, I want to hear them as musicians.

It's all about the music. I don't care about their image or fashion statements.

I can get spetacular musical performance everytime I go to a jazz club or concert hall.
But when it comes to rock music, there has to be more than music for me, rock'n'roll has never been only about the music, image and attitude are just as important. The Stones wouldn't be the biggest band on the planet if they would have been just some random dudes wearing sweatpants.

[Endrik]

Let's face it, even the kids in Hanson would have been better singers for Lynch than Don Dokken.

anyway, Dokken had a really good singer... Jeff Pilson, he should have sang IMO

[horns666]

Tim..!!!
..M'Bop!!!

[hippietim]

no thanks, I usually just skip right to George's leads :ROTF:
Pretty much every female r'n'b singer you see on MTV has more attitude in their voices than Don...

Let's face it, even the kids in Hanson would have been better singers for Lynch than Don Dokken.

[jacksoncsplayer]

so sexual insecurity was the reason I didn't want to poof up my hair with mousse & wear fishnets & eyeliner?

I never felt compelled to dress like any of the bands whose music I enjoyed. T-shirt & jeans was all I needed to go to a show. Iron Maiden wore a bit of spandex, but no mousse or makeup. Judas Priest wore the leather & studs, but I didn't dress up like that either. Wearing a costume to a show always seemed stupid to me, whether it was spandex & lipgloss, leather & spikes, or kabuki makeup.

But if all you guys putting on your mum's best polyester suit jacket & tights before raiding her cosmetics cabinet on the way to the hair salon managed to pull a lot of tail back in the day, then good on you. I bet you had a lot of fun dressing up in your waistcoat with your manbag back in your disco days too. Did the girls you were dating ever feel threatened because you looked prettier than they did? And what was it like for them when they looked up and saw what looked like one of their girlfriends pounding into them after a show?

:ROTF: :ROTF:

[horns666]

What about a fat kid and a tuba? what if he was a excellent tuba player...in sweatpants?

[xenophobe]

I don't want to see a band looking like some random dorks from a bar.
I want rockstars to look like fucking rockstars. I want to see bigger than life personality on the stage. What's the point going to a concert if the artists looks like an average person, I can listen to their record home instead.

I don't care if it's make-up or something else, I want something special. No I don't care how the dudes are dressed in a crowd, I care about the artists' style.
I don't see what's gay about Alice Cooper or Kiss, to me they are the real rockstars.
And more people than you know wear make-up, yes even thrash metal guys when they are on the TV or shooting a video, that is a FACT!!!

See, I don't care about all that. I want a solid musical performance, a good mix and an energetic crowd in a good venue. I could care less if they're in sweats and a slayer shirt or wearing $1000 suits. Sometimes I want to see performers, but when I go see a band I like, I want to hear them as musicians.

It's all about the music. I don't care about their image or fashion statements.

[horns666]

e...!!!

[Endrik]

oh yeah, Tim you are awesome by the way :ROTF:

[Endrik]

I don't want to see a band looking like some random dorks from a bar.
I want rockstars to look like fucking rockstars. I want to see bigger than life personality on the stage. What's the point going to a concert if the artists looks like an average person, I can listen to their record home instead.

I don't care if it's make-up or something else, I want something special. No I don't care how the dudes are dressed in a crowd, I care about the artists' style.
I don't see what's gay about Alice Cooper or Kiss, to me they are the real rockstars.
And more people than you know wear make-up, yes even thrash metal guys when they are on the TV or shooting a video, that is a FACT!!!

[Endrik]

You Ho you ! :ROTF: Don belted out some awesome vocals. Listen to lightning strikes again, the maze, til the living end, and just about all the other heavy stuff they did . You are right about Mick, he is an underrated drummer and an exceptional one at that. BTW Don and Mick have known each other for many years before Dokken and played in a band called Airborne in the late to mid 70s in L.A. til this day they are very close.

Marc

no thanks, I usually just skip right to George's leads :ROTF:
Pretty much every female r'n'b singer you see on MTV has more attitude in their voices than Don... I just can't stand that kind of singing in heavy rock context, I would enjoy it in soft rock maybe....MAYBE.
But his voice doesn't bother me as much as his way of writing the tunes. George blasted out tons of great riffs but Don wrote the most annoying chord progressions possible to back his vocal melodies. And the tunes were rhythmically sterile, no movement or groove, he didn't let the strong rhythm section use its potential. So those silly Eurometal type of progressions and no rhythmicality ruined it for me. Compare Dokken to Ratt... Ratt's music was full of groove and sexuality and cool blues based progressions... that's why they were 10 times pore popular than Dokken.

[xenophobe]

so sexual insecurity was the reason I didn't want to poof up my hair with mousse & wear fishnets & eyeliner?

I never felt compelled to dress like any of the bands whose music I enjoyed. T-shirt & jeans was all I needed to go to a show. Iron Maiden wore a bit of spandex, but no mousse or makeup. Judas Priest wore the leather & studs, but I didn't dress up like that either. Wearing a costume to a show always seemed stupid to me, whether it was spandex & lipgloss, leather & spikes, or kabuki makeup.

But if all you guys putting on your mum's best polyester suit jacket & tights before raiding her cosmetics cabinet on the way to the hair salon managed to pull a lot of tail back in the day, then good on you. I bet you had a lot of fun dressing up in your waistcoat with your manbag back in your disco days too. Did the girls you were dating ever feel threatened because you looked prettier than they did? And what was it like for them when they looked up and saw what looked like one of their girlfriends pounding into them after a show?