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  • #16
    Originally posted by Newc View Post
    DBZ is one I didn't like when I saw it, but then again the way things are chopped up for the American market has a lot to do with it. They try to conform it to the standard Bugs Bunny/Flintstones/GI Joe format (i.e. everything is done in 20 minutes between McDonald's commercials) and it just doesn't lend itself to that kind of butchery. Only in the last few years with things like Adult Swim and such have they actually taken the time to show these series in their original formatting, but even many of them are butchered.
    Speaking of which. And Vince C you have to read this too... Just a few months ago I made myself the owner of a sattelite dish and now I'm able to watch whatever country's TV station is out there. But I limit myself to the Discovery Channels, the Nat geo channels and the Cartoon channels.

    And while watching those cartoon channels (CN, Nick, Boomerang, Foxkids and JetX) I noted something interresting. I first noticed it a few years ago when I was really getting into anime series like "Dragonball Z" and I'm noticing it again with series like "Naruto" which I'm currently really getting into. They cut out things which they happily show in other cartoons.

    Guns
    There's a scene in the "Great Saiyaman saga" of Dragonball Z where Gohan stops a bankrobbery. Where the robbers are armed to the teeth and are shooting the whole interior of the bank to pieces before beginning a fire fight fight against the hopelessly out gunned police force. In the US Dubbed version, the whole fire fight was removed with the dialogue of the robbers changed into threatening to start firing. Or in the "Cell saga" when Android 17 and Android 18 are demolishing a city. A survivor, who lost his entire family to the murderous androids, raises his gun and fires at 17 hitting him directly in the face. Unscathed 17 walks up to the man who unsuccesfully fires more rounds at point blank range. 17 pulls out his own gun and with some Cowboy talk tells the man that his time has come. In the US Dubbed version, the whole scene of the guy shooting at 17 was removed and his dialogue was changed into telling 17 "Stop or I'll shoot" and when 17 draws his gun they actually changed the animation cells to remove it from his hands.

    BUT
    If the censores don't allow guns to be showcased in Dragonball Z, they apparently have no trouble with them appearing in other cartoons. Because Tom from Tom and Jerry, Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam are frequently seen brandishing guns. And not only in those old-school toons. Because in the "Powerpuff girls" the PPG frequently face criminals brandishing guns and firing all around

    Blood
    In a series like Naruto where they ways of the Ninja play a large role, getting a punch in the face is anything but cartoonish. For example when Sasuke faces Rock Lee at the Chunin exams, he gets a foot to his chin when Rock Lee starts his "Dance of the falling leaf" attack. Making him spew blood just after recieving that blow. Or later in that episode when Gai-Sensei appears and he punches Rock Lee in the face to punish him for displaying his secret technique so openly, blood streams from Rock Lee's mouth. In the US Dub the animation cells of both scenes were altered to take away the blood.

    So...
    ...if the people who buy up such a series like Naruto to show on US TV have such an issue with Blood then why are they showing it in so many other cartoons which appear in the same channels? For example in the opening of the Powerpuff girls when Buttercup kicks HIM in the face and he's seen spewing blood and losing teeth in the process. Or in "Ed, Edd N Eddy" where after being beaten up by Kevin, the three Ed's walk away bleeding.

    Smoking and Drinking
    The most cuts made in "Dragonball Z" were not made to hide exessive violence or sexual innuendo. They were to remove cigarettes from people's mouths and to change the liquid inside the glasses from which they were drinking.

    But can anybody explain why
    Professor Utonium of the Powerpuff girls can get away with smoking a pipe? Or why nobody complains when Yosemite Sam drinks his bottle of rum?

    Death
    In Naruto there's an episode in which the past of Naruto's teacher Kakashi is revealed. Kakashi lost his closest friend Obito when the cavern they were breaking out of was demolished by enemy ninja. Obito was squashed under a huge boulder and Kakashi unsuccesfully tried to get him free. Obito then offered kakashi is Sharigen all seeing eye which was then tranfered to him by Lin the medical ninja that was with them before saying his goodbyes because he would be dying soon. This whole scene was removed from the US dub and only shows Kakashi and Lin running out from the cavern, Obito seeimingly having vanished into thin air and with no explination how Kakashi got one of Obito's Sharingan eyes. Or during the "Vegeta saga" in Dragonball Z, when Goku arrives at the battlefield where his friends have fought a valiant but futile battle against Nappa. In the US Dub he looks around and for no apparent reason becomes ever more angry at Nappa before charging at him. In the original version of this scene however, Goku arrives and the first thing he sees is the dead body of Picollo, he walks over and scans his neck finding no pulse, he then looks around and sees the corpse of Tenshinhan which makes him grunt on both shock and anger. And then he also spots the corpse of Yamucha, to which Nappa laughs that they never stood a chance against him and that there was also another one who blew himself to pieces in an effort to take Nappa out. Goku realising that that was Chaotzu becomes furious at his friends' deaths and charges at Nappa.

    So given that
    Why gets Porgy Pig away with Shooting and Killing Sylvester before all nine ghosts of Sylvester's nine lives begin to haunt him. And why don't they have any problem with Tom from Tom and Jerry blowing up the whole house and killing himself in the process?

    Somebody explain why they take out stuff from one cartoon but show that same offending thing in another cartoon?

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    • #17
      When I was in high school I used to watch DBZ after school when they showed in on Toonami (does Toonami still exist?) on Cartoon Network but it was pretty boring with all the powering up to fight they did. The stories were interesting though if you could make it through the episodes. After I got tired of it though I picked up a DVD collection of Dragonball and I liked it much better than DBZ.
      I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge.

      http://cdwillis.blogspot.com/

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      • #18
        Somebody explain why they take out stuff from one cartoon but show that same offending thing in another cartoon?
        Well, for one Naruto is entirely focused on melodrama, violence and vice and all the characters are human. WB cartoons are.... cartoonish. And BTW, much of the older WB cartoons were edited for content as well.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Blazer View Post
          my "Great Saiyaman" moniker on the Hentai site where I post my work
          Link to the hentai site, please
          Until you get weaned off the boobie, you are going to have to do what the wife wants too. -Rsmacker

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          • #20
            Originally posted by QuantumRider View Post
            Link to the hentai site, please
            Check your PM's.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Newc View Post
              Ghost in the Shell.... I saw the movie a few years back and liked it, then caught a few of the mangas, so going from the "beginning to end" in a 90 minute feature, then the more sexually explicit volumes of the manga, and then to the series, it seems a bit watered down and choppy.

              I've got a couple of the Standalone Complex 2nd Gig dvds, but they're not sequential, and it's certainly not the complete season (thanks again to WalMart's inconsistent stock nature).
              The first "Standalone Complex" series really blew my mind, but it's been a while since I saw it, and I remember that the 3D scenes (traffic, cars, etc) were really poorly done. Despite its name, each episode of GitS-SAC is not independent, although many of them exhibit the "mission of the week" pattern. There is the "Laughing Man" plot, which is central to the story, and which gives it plenty of continuity. The second series of GitS-SAC is more of the same (although with much better 3D). If you can get hold of all the episodes, I'd highly recommend both Gig 1 and 2.

              A tip for y'all: Check out Jin Roh - The Wolf Brigade if you can find it. It's a one-shot movie; hardboiled retro sci-fi (1940's or 50's) with a bit of depth to it.

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              • #22
                Nothing can beat Hokuto No Ken!

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                • #23
                  Check the opening theme of the second season! It rocks!

                  Sigla iniziale della 2° serie di Ken Il Guerriero. In Italia per questa serie hanno lasciato la versione originale, non traducendola come nella prima.

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                  • #24
                    LMAO!

                    "No boy no cry...We are livin'...livin' in the nineties...We still fight...fightin' in the nineties"

                    :ROTF:

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                      • #26
                        i don't get any of it???

                        we do have Naruto for the 360 though.

                        Does anyone know why most Anime that is done in Japan, most of the amine dudes don't appear to be from Japan?
                        ...that taste like tart, lemon yogart

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ABSOLUT CHARVEL View Post
                          Does anyone know why most Anime that is done in Japan, most of the amine dudes don't appear to be from Japan?
                          There's tons of anime here that have all Japanese looking characters.

                          Maybe the people who distribute Japanimation worldwide think that people in foreign markets will enjoy movies/TV shows that don't have all Japanese looking characters, and hence only export anime having blonde/brunette/redhead characters.

                          As a notable exception, all of the characters in "AKIRA", which was widely distributed, look Japanese.

                          EDIT: Thanks for the link, Blazer You are a prolific artist!
                          Last edited by QuantumRider; 01-14-2008, 10:49 PM.
                          Until you get weaned off the boobie, you are going to have to do what the wife wants too. -Rsmacker

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                          • #28
                            I met Mark Britten a few years ago, I guess he did some of the voices for Dragonball Z. He's a comedian that was performing at the Tulsa Comedy Club. Funny guy, does a great "Arnold" voice. I bought his CD after the show and had him autograph it. Funny stuff.
                            I still keep practicing though.... Mostly because I hate my neighbors.-MakeAJazzNoiseHere

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by QuantumRider View Post
                              EDIT: Thanks for the link, Blazer You are a prolific artist!
                              A fellow brush-chewer? Link me too, plz!

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