Actor Heath Ledger found dead

[zeegler]

So if it was an accident, that gets no sympathy from you? Never done anything stupid in your life? Must be nice...

Accident? Like he accidentally fell on a bottle of pills? :ROTF:

I've done tons of stupid, moronic, dangerous things in my life, and if I had died as a result of my own stupidity, I certainly wouldn't expect pity. Sorry if you disagree, but that's the way I feel.

[Bengal]

Accident? Like he accidentally fell on a bottle of pills? :ROTF:

I've done tons of stupid, moronic, dangerous things in my life, and if I had died as a result of my own stupidity, I certainly wouldn't expect pity. Sorry if you disagree, but that's the way I feel.

I'm thinking he may have been drinking and took some pills and accidentally overdosed. Course that's pure speculation on my part. The dude did have a kid. But being a parent doesn't make you immune to suicide. But this guy had more going than most in his position...

I do find it funny that one of the self proclaimed "potheads" on this forum is pissed that he's "killed himself with drugs". I do find that rather amusing...

But believe what you want, it's all good...

[rjohnstone]

I'll wait to pass judgment until the autopsy results are in.
No mention of a suicide note, so it could have been accidental.

Zeeg's, you're one cold SOB.
Accidents are just that and if that's proves to be the case, then it's tragic.
If it's suicide, then yes... fuggem.

[zeegler]

I'm thinking he may have been drinking and took some pills and accidentally overdosed. Course that's pure speculation on my part. The dude did have a kid. But being a parent doesn't make you immune to suicide. But this guy had more going than most in his position...

I do find it funny that one of the self proclaimed "potheads" on this forum is pissed that he's "killed himself with drugs". I do find that rather amusing...

But believe what you want, it's all good...

It's sad for the kid for sure. It's very sad that he didn't have a more responsible father. I'm no angel, but I would not purposefully endanger my own life and chance leaving my son without a father. How selfish is that? I'm not sure what smoking pot has to do with killing yourself with drugs though. Let's keep it real here.

[zeegler]

I'll wait to pass judgment until the autopsy results are in.
No mention of a suicide note, so it could have been accidental.

Zeeg's, you're one cold SOB.
Accidents are just that and if that's proves to be the case, then it's tragic.
If it's suicide, then yes... fuggem.

Yes I am a cold SOB. I make no apologies.

You can all hate me if you want, but I reserve my pity for people who die through no fault of their own.

I certainly don't consider dying from a pill overdose an accident. If you drive your car off a cliff, you might survive. If you don't, is it an accident?

[Bengal]

Zeegs,
Is pot legal in Canada? There are many ways to abandon your kid...

I am keeping it real. By your first post it's clear that you are taking the side that it's just another "druggie" that's gone south. Well, define "druggie"? Drugs are drugs. Legal or illegal. So to say someone is worthless because they died of a drug overdose while sitting back and hitting the bong is a bit hypocritical. At least to me...

[thebeggar]

NOT SAD, NOT A TRAGEDY!

Just another loser!

You kill yourself with drugs, you get no sympathy whatsoever from me. Good fucking riddance.

Jeez man that's pretty harsh. Death is no good no matter what the circumstances. This might shine some light on things;

"This might be a large part of it... From IMDB for the Dark Knight movie (trivia)... The Joker's character is based on his first two appearances in the comic books, as well as his portrayal in the graphic novel "The Killing Joke." To prepare for the role, Heath Ledger lived alone in a hotel room for a month researching the character and developing his performance, which he claims is based upon Sid Vicious and the character of Alex in A Clockwork Orange (1971). Ledger found the role extremely difficult, and suffered insomnia as a result. Sounds like it got the best of him... "

[zeegler]

Zeegs,
Is pot legal in Canada? There are many ways to abandon your kid...

I am keeping it real. By your first post it's clear that you are taking the side that it's just another "druggie" that's gone south. Well, define "druggie"? Drugs are drugs. Legal or illegal. So to say someone is worthless because they died of a drug overdose while sitting back and hitting the bong is a bit hypocritical. At least to me...

Well, that's because you don't know the whole story. First off, It's pretty impossible to kill oneself by smoking pot isn't it? If you didn't know that, now you do. Secondly, I personally don't need to make any apologies about how I treat my son. We spend tons of time together, and do lot's of fun stuff. Smoking a joint doesn't interfere with that at all. In fact, it actually makes it more fun sometimes. The fact is, I don't endanger my life by smoking pot. You're right that pot is a drug, just as alcohol is, just as niccotine is, just as caffeine is, aspirin, tylenol, etc, etc, but when you dabble in stuff that can "accidentally" kill you, you're not thinking about your kids, you're being selfish.

You may see this as hypocritical, but I certainly don't.

[Endrik]

which he claims is based upon Sid Vicious

umm, that's not healthy

[thebeggar]

It's definitely not healthy and certainly takes method acting slightly too far but it's a tragedy nonetheless.

[zeegler]

Jeez man that's pretty harsh. Death is no good no matter what the circumstances. This might shine some light on things;

"This might be a large part of it... From IMDB for the Dark Knight movie (trivia)... The Joker's character is based on his first two appearances in the comic books, as well as his portrayal in the graphic novel "The Killing Joke." To prepare for the role, Heath Ledger lived alone in a hotel room for a month researching the character and developing his performance, which he claims is based upon Sid Vicious and the character of Alex in A Clockwork Orange (1971). Ledger found the role extremely difficult, and suffered insomnia as a result. Sounds like it got the best of him... "

Pure speculation. No one put a pill bottle in his hands and a gun to his head and said eat these did they? Probably not. Sometimes you know, people are just druggies, and eventually overdo it. It happens.

Eh, whatever, at least I'm being honest.

[Bengal]

Zeegs,
I know you can't overdose on pot. But if it's illegal, you could have your kids taken away from you for doing it. It's that way here in the States, I am not sure about Canada. But if it's not fully legal there, I'm betting the authorities don't like to hear about parents smoking pot...

I'm not saying you do it around your kids. Don't get me wrong there. I'm sure you are a responsible guy. I can tell that from most of your posts. So don't think I'm saying something I'm not...

You do endanger your "life" by smoking pot. Getting thrown in jail is "risking your life". Not from death but from incarceration. But like I said, I don't know the rules in Canada, just here in the USA...

Jury is still out on the physical effects. I'm sure it does some harm there...

[thebeggar]

Eh, whatever, at least I'm being honest.

No arguments here

[rjohnstone]

You're right that pot is a drug, just as alcohol is, just as niccotine is, just as caffeine is, aspirin, tylenol, etc, etc, but when you dabble in stuff that can "accidentally" kill you, you're not thinking about your kids, you're being selfish.

You may see this as hypocritical, but I certainly don't.

alcohol (#1 "accidental" killer btw), nicotine, aspirin, tylenol can all KILL you if you accidentally take too much.
All they found was over the counter sleeping pills.
My wife takes those to go to bed every night as she suffers from chronic insomnia.
As stated, he was suffering from insomnia as well... he very well could have taken ONE... that's ONE pill too many and it would have been enough to kill him.

And yes Zeegs, I've seen idiots stoned out of their gourd do some stupid shit that DID kill them. Pot didn't directly kill them, but it was THE only thing that impaired their judgment. They were too stoned to realize what they were doing was deadly.

I'll wait for the toxicology report. If he had killed him self intentionally, it will be obvious.

[zeegler]

Zeegs,
I know you can't overdose on pot. But if it's illegal, you could have your kids taken away from you for doing it. It's that way here in the States, I am not sure about Canada. But if it's not fully legal there, I'm betting the authorities don't like to hear about parents smoking pot...

I'm not saying you do it around your kids. Don't get me wrong there. I'm sure you are a responsible guy. I can tell that from most of your posts. So don't think I'm saying something I'm not...

You do endanger your "life" by smoking pot. Getting thrown in jail is "risking your life". Not from death but from incarceration. But like I said, I don't know the rules in Canada, just here in the USA...

Jury is still out on the physical effects. I'm sure it does some harm there...

Well, I can't get thrown in jail for smoking pot. Nor could I have my son taken away from me. I fotunately live in a somewhat enlightened country. As for the physical effects, I'm sure that pot does have some negative effects, but considering it's less dangerous than smoking or drinking, I'm not too worried about it. I also eat pizza, and fast food sometimes, and I bet that's even worse.