Actor Heath Ledger found dead

[Endrik]

Ah, Rome, yes, that great pinnacle of education and culture. Oh wait, I'm sorry, the only culture indigenous to Rome was conquering other countries and clothing themselves in the cultures of those conquered peoples.
Their alphabetical, numerical, mythological, and even societal structures were merely copies of the Greek, Phoenecian, and Arabian cultures.

Why do you think it's still called "Phonetic pronunciation", or "Hooked On Phonics"? The Phoenetians.

Consider the mythological gods of Rome, and how they mirror that of the Greeks, and even how Catholicism (which is a purely Roman initiative), is also structured identically to the mythological setup. Note also the inclusion of Egyptian religious mandates such as the Emperor classifying himself as a God. This carried over into Catholicism, whereby the Pope is referred to as "the Holy Father". Nevermind the fact that the very word of God they claim to represent specifically states "call no man Holy".


And yes, men anally probing each other is as old as the hills. Noah even plundered his own son's booty in Genesis.

However, in Deuteronomy, God laid out the specifics regarding moral behavior. Before that point (some hundreds of years after Noah), there was no written mandate about it.

Just because it was the first thing Man ever did doesn't mean it's ok.

I'm very well aware of history, just mentioned something since you started talking about your "morale values"

Morality originally was an understandable term... like if you are screwing someone or you don't, are you a man of your word or not etc.
these days morality is the stupidest shit, its meaning has been changed bazillion times by hypocrite asswipes... shit like can you say the F word or not, can you show titties in TV or not, fucking family values etc. etc. etc. and all kinds of stupid shit wich has caused prejudgment, racism, hatred etc.
and it's pretty obvious that this FAKE morale thing does not work.
durning the dark medieval times when a lot of those more values got their start... usually thanks to Catholic Church and cruel monarchs (who by the way had some of the sickest orgys and perverse actions in their closet)
basically one type of persons and one way of thinking was right everything else was shit...
durning the Renaissance when there was a cultural revolution and people started opening their eyes (kinda similar to the hippie movement where people questioned the authority because of all the fucked up shit) and had enough of being a fucking sheep.
the church started to become more human friendly etc. and there were a bunch of people who thought everything now is so liberal and there's no morale anymore... they went to America.
now look at the situation right now... the people in many European countries have disbandoned the church and its morale values... what they have now... low crime rate, little racism, high economy, the best social enviorment in the world

No, it's not genetic, it's a choice. Just like whether you want to wear blue or black, play Gisbon or Jackson, or eat at Burger King or McDonald's.

That has to be the biggest load of BS I've read so far in this thread.

oh yes, it is so big BS that it's unbeliveable, that's so big.. it's huge, even bigger than my balls :ROTF:

[Newc]

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

The Greeks had all that before Rome. Most of the greatest Roman figures in those fields were Greeks. All Rome provided was Emperors.

I'm with Newc. Once we're done with the gays, let's all go picket Red Lobster since eating shellfish is an abomination (LEV. 11:10). Then we'll make all women wear badges when they're on the rag so we'll know not to have any contact with them until they're "clean" again (Lev. 15:19-24). If they refuse, we'll sell them into slavery (Ex. 21:7). Speaking of slaves, I know Mexicans are OK since we can buy slaves as long as they're from a neighboring country (Lev. 25:44), but what about Canadians? I feel weird about that because they're, you know, so much like us. I also get confused about when to stone someone to death or burn them. Is it burn the blasphemer & stone the inlaws who sleep together, or vice versa? (Lev. 20:14, Lev. 24:10-16) Do we just shun people who wear fabric blends or plant 2 different crops in the same field (Lev. 19:19), or can we just take care of them along with all the guys who cut the hair around their temples (Lev. 19:27), or work on the Sabbath (Ex. 35:2)?

Hmmm. Either you've never been informed that there has been a New Testament, or you belong to a sect that doesn't believe it.

A choice? Excuse me Newc, when did you make your choice? When in your early life did you sit there and say, "Hum, I guess I could go for women, that seems like the most normal. Or I could go with men. Hum, tough choice there. Maybe I should read the bible."
Where was that thought process and at what age?

See, I didn't have that choice. I knew from a very early age that I dug chicks. I'm thinking I probably knew it in Kindergarten. Much to young to make that choice. Much to young to know what sex is or all about. So see? There was no choice, I didn't knew I had one. It just was...

Why in anybodies right mind would they chose to be gay? And take the ridicule that's been spewn all over this thread? Nobody. Maybe they have a self loathing complex? Please. Maybe they just want attention. Please again. All bullshit...

It is nice to finally see some peoples true colors though. Nice to know who's grounded in reality and who's not...

Homosexuality is a choice, not sexual preference in general.
Yes, the choice can be influenced by environment - just as a molested child grows up to be a child molester.

It seems common sensical to me that one's sexual predisposition is wired in. Why do I say this? Because there are many examples in the animal kingdom of homosexual behavior. From a reproductive perspective, it's a defective trait, but nonetheless it exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

Someone always brings out the "Animal" angle. Man is not Animal (i.e. dog, cat, wolf, sheep, bear, goat, blah blah). I know it's fashionable to equate Man with Animal because of various similar traits ("animal lust", similarities with monkeys, etc etc), but the simple fact is that Man is not a part of the Animal Kingdom, nor the Plant Kingdom, before some dumbass asks that question. Man belongs to Mankind. We're in a totally separate ranking system than lions and rats. Accept it, and enjoy it.

Also, if you look at the most gay oppressive societies on the planet where being gay is punishable by death, you still have gay people and a gay underground. How could it be a lifestyle choice if being caught means death? On the contrary, you find that gays in these societies are depressed for being wired the way they are in such a society. or consider the deep south where there is open hostility towards gays and elementary school aged kids are raised to hold them in contempt (i grew up in such a town). i promise you that *choosing* to be gay in such an environment would be a foolish choice.

As for why anyone would choose to do something that would not go over well with the general public: You are aware of the situation with the prisons in this country, correct? I mean, they're packed to overflowing with people who did things that they really weren't supposed to do.

Finally, consider true hermaphrodites...people born with both working sexual organs. What are they? Male or female? What would be the appropriate sexual orientation for them? Would society find it repulsive if a hermaphrodite prefered a male as a sexual partner? A female? Or both? Or neither? If one cannot find it fantastical that this human being has sexual attraction to both sexes, then it's not fantastical that any person can be wired to be sexually attracted to both sexes (thus making them bi).

I often wonder what an Evangelical Christian Church would say about a hermaphrodite in their congregation and what they would say to the sexual preference of such a person...after all this person is God's creation. Me thinks they would blow a head gasket.

Since you mentioned the church, God's word is quite clear on the Hermaphrodite, and the Eunuch, in that God made them all. Obviously if He made them all, He made someone to go along with them. Did you see that list of bizarre relationships in the Platinum Lounge thread? Guy with 3 legs and two peckers found a woman with 3 legs and two vaginas. Sounds like that was planned.

Morality originally was an understandable term... like if you are screwing someone or you don't, are you a man of your word or not etc.
these days morality is the stupidest shit, its meaning has been changed bazillion times by hypocrite asswipes... shit like can you say the F word or not, can you show titties in TV or not, fucking family values etc. etc. etc. and all kinds of stupid shit wich has caused prejudgment, racism, hatred etc.
and it's pretty obvious that this FAKE morale thing does not work.

The definition of Morality has not changed. It's always been "that which is acceptable to the general populace and does not cause ill feelings in others, and does not have a negative influence on children and their development".
People have tried to change that over the centuries, whether stating it was ok to screw sheep as long as no one's watching or that it was not ok to screw your own wife unless you were making a baby, and you better have a baby to show for it.

Both sides have tried just as hard to have the definition of morality changed.

durning the dark medieval times when a lot of those more values got their start... usually thanks to Catholic Church and cruel monarchs (who by the way had some of the sickest orgys and perverse actions in their closet)

And lets not forget those good old Romans, how they invented Catholicism, and established the monarchy system most of Europe used and still uses. Royal Blood. Now there's a joke if I ever heard one.

basically one type of persons and one way of thinking was right everything else was shit...
durning the Renaissance when there was a cultural revolution and people started opening their eyes (kinda similar to the hippie movement where people questioned the authority because of all the fucked up shit) and had enough of being a fucking sheep.

It's amazing how pursuing the "do whatever you want" lifestyle is always considerered "being open-minded" or "opening your eyes" and acceptance of and adherence to a moral code is considered "being a sheep" or some other derogatory term.
And someone mentioned predjudice?

the church started to become more human friendly etc. and there were a bunch of people who thought everything now is so liberal and there's no morale anymore... they went to America.
now look at the situation right now... the people in many European countries have disbandoned the church and its morale values... what they have now... low crime rate, little racism, high economy, the best social enviorment in the world

The Pilgrims fled to America to avoid religious persecution, since the Church was changing its denominational alliance whenever a new ruler took over, which at one time, the Church of England changed in the same week from Catholic to Protestant. Since each side was trying to kill each other for not "converting", a bunch of them hopped on a boat and left Europe.

They came here and did the same things. Funny that.


A nation without guns will have less violent crime. Also, how many European countries still lock people up for crimes that America doesn't? How many minorities can be found in European countries? And when a dozen countries pool their economies into one, creating one currency, you tend to come up with a larger and more stable economy than the rest of the world. Add to that the trade agreements that cripple America, and pretty soon Mexicans will live like kings for $14 a day in Massachusettes.

[åron]

The Greeks had all that before Rome. Most of the greatest Roman figures in those fields were Greeks. All Rome provided was Emperors.

Let me guess, you hate italians almost as much as you hate gays.

Hmmm. Either you've never been informed that there has been a New Testament, or you belong to a sect that doesn't believe it.

I bet you think the bible is fact. Dumbshit.

Homosexuality is a choice, not sexual preference in general.
Yes, the choice can be influenced by environment - just as a molested child grows up to be a child molester.

Someone always brings out the "Animal" angle. Man is not Animal (i.e. dog, cat, wolf, sheep, bear, goat, blah blah). I know it's fashionable to equate Man with Animal because of various similar traits ("animal lust", similarities with monkeys, etc etc), but the simple fact is that Man is not a part of the Animal Kingdom, nor the Plant Kingdom, before some dumbass asks that question. Man belongs to Mankind. We're in a totally separate ranking system than lions and rats. Accept it, and enjoy it.

I accept that you are a subhuman fucktard. Man is chimp, chimp is man. We share roughly the same DNA and behavior. You are a prime example. Accept it, and enjoy it.

As for why anyone would choose to do something that would not go over well with the general public: You are aware of the situation with the prisons in this country, correct? I mean, they're packed to overflowing with people who did things that they really weren't supposed to do.

Since you mentioned the church, God's word is quite clear on the Hermaphrodite, and the Eunuch, in that God made them all. Obviously if He made them all, He made someone to go along with them. Did you see that list of bizarre relationships in the Platinum Lounge thread? Guy with 3 legs and two peckers found a woman with 3 legs and two vaginas. Sounds like that was planned.

You're a load that should have been swallowed.

The definition of Morality has not changed. It's always been "that which is acceptable to the general populace and does not cause ill feelings in others, and does not have a negative influence on children and their development".
People have tried to change that over the centuries, whether stating it was ok to screw sheep as long as no one's watching or that it was not ok to screw your own wife unless you were making a baby, and you better have a baby to show for it.

Both sides have tried just as hard to have the definition of morality changed.

The world is a lot smaller than it used to be. There aren't two sides. That's the problem with this line of thinking. One moral code can't be applied to the fractious world. Moreover, people with ambitions to power just use it to divide and conquer or a way to exert control. The sheep - read: you - let it happen.

And lets not forget those good old Romans, how they invented Catholicism, and established the monarchy system most of Europe used and still uses. Royal Blood. Now there's a joke if I ever heard one.

Having studied way too much medieval European history and Roman history back in school, I can safely say your understanding is self serving and elementary. Religion is a tool.

It's amazing how pursuing the "do whatever you want" lifestyle is always considerered "being open-minded" or "opening your eyes" and acceptance of and adherence to a moral code is considered "being a sheep" or some other derogatory term.
And someone mentioned predjudice?

Hmmm I thought the being a sheep was acknowledged in the shepherd and his flock analogy that pervades Christian culture.

The Pilgrims fled to America to avoid religious persecution, since the Church was changing its denominational alliance whenever a new ruler took over, which at one time, the Church of England changed in the same week from Catholic to Protestant. Since each side was trying to kill each other for not "converting", a bunch of them hopped on a boat and left Europe.

They came here and did the same things. Funny that.


A nation without guns will have less violent crime. Also, how many European countries still lock people up for crimes that America doesn't? How many minorities can be found in European countries? And when a dozen countries pool their economies into one, creating one currency, you tend to come up with a larger and more stable economy than the rest of the world. Add to that the trade agreements that cripple America, and pretty soon Mexicans will live like kings for $14 a day in Massachusettes.

Thanks for the laughs. Sorry for laughing at you and not with you.

[JetFixxxer]

They came here and did the same things. Funny that.

I agree with this statement 100%... They fled to another country and "Killed" the savages that didn't convert.

[Endrik]

Homosexuality is a choice, not sexual preference in general.
Yes, the choice can be influenced by environment - just as a molested child grows up to be a child molester.

so it's a choice if you have a boner after seeing a naked dude?

Someone always brings out the "Animal" angle. Man is not Animal

Human IS an animal, didn't you have biology in school?

It's amazing how pursuing the "do whatever you want" lifestyle is always considerered "being open-minded" or "opening your eyes" and acceptance of and adherence to a moral code is considered "being a sheep" or some other derogatory term.
And someone mentioned predjudice?

being open minded is accepting the way how other people live (even if you don't like the other ways or agree with other people's views but still letting everyone live how they want and not making official laws that say this way of living is wrong and this way is right or something else just to ban everything one person doesn't like)
"do whatever you want as long as it doesn't screw other people" is a good way of living IMO, (btw. screwing other people is not wearing a shirt or a haircut that some asshole doesn't like and considers it offensive, that's not getting screwed, that's being a dumb fucking asshole), I don't like living by doing what the others are telling me to do but I'm not against it when someone wants to live like that.

The Pilgrims fled to America to avoid religious persecution, since the Church was changing its denominational alliance whenever a new ruler took over, which at one time, the Church of England changed in the same week from Catholic to Protestant. Since each side was trying to kill each other for not "converting", a bunch of them hopped on a boat and left Europe.

They came here and did the same things. Funny that.

yes, no matter what church... it always had caused a lot of deaths

Also, how many European countries still lock people up for crimes that America doesn't?

what crimes are you talking about?

How many minorities can be found in European countries?

A LOT

And when a dozen countries pool their economies into one, creating one currency, you tend to come up with a larger and more stable economy than the rest of the world.

oh yes that, and not having a war :ROTF:

[Bengal]

Homosexuality is not a sexual preference? OK, now I can die. I've heard it all...

You honestly cannot believe that. I refuse to accept that you believe that. I can't believe ANYONE would believe that load of garbage...

So hetrosexual is a choice too, right? It has to be. If one is a choice, so is the other...

And you didn't answer my question of when you made your choice...

What a load of shit that's being spewed in here. Just because the guy played a role of a gay guy in a movie once. Whatever. I wore a pink shirt when I was a teenager, I suppose now I'm a woman... Whatever... I'm over it...

[Endrik]

Homosexuality is not a sexual preference? OK, now I can die. I've heard it all...

You honestly cannot believe that. I refuse to accept that you believe that. I can't believe ANYONE would believe that load of garbage...

So hetrosexual is a choice too, right? It has to be. If one is a choice, so is the other...

And you didn't answer my question of when you made your choice...

What a load of shit that's being spewed in here. Just because the guy played a role of a gay guy in a movie once. Whatever. I wore a pink shirt when I was a teenager, I suppose now I'm a woman... Whatever... I'm over it...

[jacksoncsplayer]

I don't quite understand how a thread about an Actor who has passed away has gone in such a shitty direction. Keep your personal agendas to yourselves and stick with the thread for fukks sake! If you need to battle start another thread.

[StukaJU87]

Open the flush valve and send this thread down the shitter where it belongs.:ROTF:

[dg]

Hmmm. Either you've never been informed that there has been a New Testament, or you belong to a sect that doesn't believe it.

Nah, I'm pretty familiar with it. I just missed where it tells us to pick & choose which parts of the Bible to emphasize for our own convenience. Was that the book of Newc? And you're the one who brought up the Old Testament:

However, in Deuteronomy, God laid out the specifics regarding moral behavior.

I don't quite understand how a thread about an Actor who has passed away has gone in such a shitty direction. Keep your personal agendas to yourselves and stick with the thread for fukks sake! If you need to battle start another thread.

Agreed. Sorry to have helped it spin out, but sometimes I can't help myself. RIP Heath! I don't care what roles you played, you were great, and however the autopsy pans out, it's sad & you'll be missed.

[Joe_Steeler]

OMFG!!!!
My goodness people!!!! can't we get fucking along?? Jeez. Man, this place is so cool sometimes and then it turns into a bad day @ HC.

Admins, please drop an A-bomb on this shit storm and make it stop. Too much hate, ignorance, stupidity and intolerance right here, right now!

[Cygnus X1]

How did I miss this?

I only read a couple of bits, but I think we should all be banned for a while.

Me, just for showing up and saying nothing.

[atomic charvel guy]

I've lost 14 friends and a brother. Good friends to boot. They weren't suicides as far as I know but until you experience some serious loss you really haven't lived yet then. I hope he's at peace in these times of 'what the fukk is going on?"

Footnote- He could have went Marlin Fishing for the rest of his life, there's nothing wrong with that and it would be a really shitty thing if he did this over an ex without thinking about marlin Fishing with his daughter, or son, or whatever. i gotta go do stupid stuff now, see ya.

[åron]

Admins, please drop an A-bomb on this shit storm and make it stop. Too much hate, ignorance, stupidity and intolerance right here, right now!

Somehow I don't think anyone is changing their mind on this crap, so perhaps it should be locked.

Sorry to have helped it spin out, but sometimes I can't help myself. RIP Heath! I don't care what roles you played, you were great, and however the autopsy pans out, it's sad & you'll be missed.

+1. I can't help but hate haters, I dunno what it is. RIP.

[SeventhSon]

Hmmm. Either you've never been informed that there has been a New Testament, or you belong to a sect that doesn't believe it.

how old do you believe the earth is? 6000 years old? why is it that evangelicals will take the old testament literally on some topics, but not others (slaves are good!)?

newc, my maternal grandparents (who have passed) were buddhist. do you think they went to heaven or hell? i'm just curious as to how you read the new testament.

Homosexuality is a choice, not sexual preference in general.
Yes, the choice can be influenced by environment - just as a molested child grows up to be a child molester.

wow, you really think that getting a boner when looking at some dude's hairy ass is a *choice*?!

Someone always brings out the "Animal" angle. Man is not Animal (i.e. dog, cat, wolf, sheep, bear, goat, blah blah). I know it's fashionable to equate Man with Animal because of various similar traits ("animal lust", similarities with monkeys, etc etc), but the simple fact is that Man is not a part of the Animal Kingdom, nor the Plant Kingdom, before some dumbass asks that question. Man belongs to Mankind. We're in a totally separate ranking system than lions and rats. Accept it, and enjoy it.

newc, i'm asking you what you think homosexuality in animals can be attributed to.

i assert that the behavior is rooted in the genes, whether it's a genetic defect or not i don't know, but clearly an animal is not reasoning about morality when making such a choice.

As for why anyone would choose to do something that would not go over well with the general public: You are aware of the situation with the prisons in this country, correct? I mean, they're packed to overflowing with people who did things that they really weren't supposed to do.

you miss my point. i'm pretty sure it is impossible to find an example of a prisoner in a U.S. prison system where an equivalent but perfectly legal alternative to his criminal activity existed. if sexual preference is a choice, and there are equal numbers of men vs. women in your society, what is the thought process that goes through one's head to choose a man (a choice that is considered criminal or cause one to be ostracised) vs. a woman?

could it be SEXUAL ATTRACTION influences the choice? Or is it the choice to be immoral (as i think you assert)? So if I want to be "bad" and "rebel" against society, you assert that sucking some guy's dong is going to make my short list? I got news for you...NOT!!!

I just find it an absurd proposition to think that any one who gets a boner by looking at Pamela Anderson's jugs would ever freely choose to take it up the ass for any reason. I just don't follow the reasoning behind "it's a choice".

Since you mentioned the church, God's word is quite clear on the Hermaphrodite, and the Eunuch, in that God made them all. Obviously if He made them all, He made someone to go along with them. Did you see that list of bizarre relationships in the Platinum Lounge thread? Guy with 3 legs and two peckers found a woman with 3 legs and two vaginas. Sounds like that was planned.

again, you miss my point. if a person can have physical sexual traits that are "criss crossed", why is it so hard to believe that a person can also have mental sexual traits that are "criss crossed"?