The Plane Took Off!!!!!!!!!

[jim777]

Thanks for the links!

I thought the idea was that the tarp and plane would be the same speed, so the plane would basically take off from the appearance of being still. In that clip the plane is definitely moving forward, you can see it going past the traffic cones on the side of the tarp. Either way, I bet it got them the biggest ratings they've ever had.

Now they should put a 20 ft. Great White in a pool and drag it backwards and see if it gets really pissed off. You know, for like science and shit

[Endrik]

but it doesn't really matter if the plane took off, the whole conveyor belt concept doesn't work as we all saw it, whoever's idea the whole thing was, the point was to make the plane fly so it wouldn't travel any distance on the ground, but it did as we saw, so there's no point of the conveyor belt unless it's a really long one... but while we have a normal ground so there's absolutely no use for the belt

I think many who belived that the plane wont take off were really focused on the concept of "does the plane take off on the conveyor belt without moving on the ground" and they were right... the plane doesn't take off in standing position.... the plane takes off like it normally does because the belt didn't had any effect on the plane

so the real argument is "does the plane move forward when conveyor belt has the same speed but goes reverse direction"

[StukaJU87]

so the real argument is "does the plane move forward when conveyor belt has the same speed but goes reverse direction"

It absolutely will. The belt has no effect on the air behind the plane. The belt could be going twice the speed of the plane and the plane would still move forward and take off. That is what people fail to understand. The prop or jet motor will thrust against the air behind the plane and move the plane forward no matter how fast the belt can move.

[dg]

but it doesn't really matter if the plane took off, the whole conveyor belt concept doesn't work as we all saw it, whoever's idea the whole thing was, the point was to make the plane fly so it wouldn't travel any distance on the ground, but it did as we saw, so there's no point of the conveyor belt unless it's a really long one... but while we have a normal ground so there's absolutely no use for the belt

I think many who belived that the plane wont take off were really focused on the concept of "does the plane take off on the conveyor belt without moving on the ground" and they were right... the plane doesn't take off in standing position.... the plane takes off like it normally does because the belt didn't had any effect on the plane

so the real argument is "does the plane move forward when conveyor belt has the same speed but goes reverse direction"

Exactly! And that's why there are hundreds of pages of message board flamage over this one. I'm sure it was an accident, but they probably couldn't have come up with a better argument-starter if they tried.

[Endrik]

It absolutely will. The belt has no effect on the air behind the plane. The belt could be going twice the speed of the plane and the plane would still move forward and take off. That is what people fail to understand. The prop or jet motor will thrust against the air behind the plane and move the plane forward no matter how fast the belt can move.

well, duh everyone knows it now (I hope) but I just brought out what the REAL question/issue was, the plane taking off or not is actually quite irrelevant

[zeegler]

well, duh everyone knows it now (I hope) but I just brought out what the REAL question/issue was, the plane taking off or not is actually quite irrelevant

Hardly irrelevant since that was the original question.

"Will a plane take off on a treadmill?"

For some reason, many of you for some reason, equate this to mean the plane can't move forward, as if tethered in place. Well everyone who has a functioning brain knows that it's not going to take off if standing still. It would be a pretty stupid question to ask if the plane would take off while tethered to a treadmill wouldn't it?

In order for the plane to stay in one spot with the treadmill going, it would have to use almost zero thrust to overcome the friction of the wheel bearings. It would be almost impossible to stop the plane from creeping forward. In fact, I don't think it could be done without drastically reducing the size of the propeller.

[Bengal]

Zeegs,
I can understand the misconception. The thing with wheels that most people have expierence with is a car/truck/bike. So it's understandable that they would take the way a car moves and transfer it to the way a plane moves. I can understand it completely, since I was on that side of the fence for a while...

That's why this is/was so hotly debated. Some people can't get past the idea that the wheels make the plane move. The wheels make their car/truck/bike moves so why not a plane? But you're right, if you think about it for just a second, it makes sense. That's where the heated debate comes from. Those that were on the other side wouldn't even entertain the idea for 1 second, they were so convinced they were right. I mean, it's how my car moves, right?

So it's over and done with. Hardly anyone came in and ate their crow. Thats disappointing. But whatever...

[Endrik]

Hardly irrelevant since that was the original question.

"Will a plane take off on a treadmill?"

and basing on the sketches everywhere on the net (treadmill wich was about 3 times longer than the plane) I'll say no, the plane wont take off

[VitaminG]

and basing on the sketches everywhere on the net (treadmill wich was about 3 times longer than the plane) I'll say no, the plane wont take off

then you're missing the point again. The treadmill could be the length of an airfield, it won't make a difference

[zeegler]

and basing on the sketches everywhere on the net (treadmill wich was about 3 times longer than the plane) I'll say no, the plane wont take off

Yeah, you still don't get it man.

[Endrik]

no, you don't get the joke holy fuckin' shit

[zeegler]

no, you don't get the joke holy fuckin' shit

Try making it funny!

[Endrik]

try not to be a smartass

[zeegler]

try not to be a smartass

Why? Stick with something you're good at, that's what I always say. :ROTF:

[Endrik]

Why? Stick with something you're good at, that's what I always say. :ROTF: