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    Before I link the article, a little background; I have cerebal palsy and it has heavily affected the use of my legs, though over the years I have been able to mostly over come it and aside from my tendency to toe walk and slightly lower endurance than most, you can't tell em apart from someone who doesn't.

    About 4 years ago (will be 4 years in a few months) I started having issues walking and with weakness in my legs. Doctor thought it might be related to a growth spurt, and sent me to see a specialist. I was 12 at the time. The specialist suggested a Botox injection to help relax the muscles. We do it, and fast forward a month, I fall without any reason, and in sheer surprise, put my hand out to stop and snap my wrist. My first thought was it was Botox related, something my mom also believed and family doctor said was possible. The guy who prescribed me the injections shrugged it off and ordered more. Only a few weeks after getting more at a higher dosage, I could barely walk, dizzy, light headed, and extremely weak. Again we suggested it was Botox, and my family doctor decided no more. In the end I had to go to home schooling, and pretty much bed ridden for about a month and a half, and it took several months of physical therapy to get back to where I had been.

    Turns out, my first thoughts about it being the Botox were right...

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    FDA: Children Treated With Botox Died

    By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer
    2 HOURS AGO
    WASHINGTON - The popular anti-wrinkle drug Botox and a competitor have been linked to dangerous botulism symptoms in some users, cases so bad that a few children have died, the government warned Friday.
    The Food and Drug Administration's warning includes both Botox, a wrinkle-specific version called Botox Cosmetic, and its competitor, Myobloc, drugs that all use botulinum toxin to block nerve impulses, causing them to relax.
    In rare cases, the toxin can spread beyond the injection site to other parts of the body, paralyzing or weakening the muscles used for breathing and swallowing, a potentially fatal side effect, the FDA said.
    Botox is best known for minimizing wrinkles by paralyzing facial muscles _ but botulinum toxin also is widely used for a variety of muscle-spasm conditions, such as cervical dystonia or severe neck spasms.
    The FDA said the deaths it is investigating so far all involve children, mostly cerebral palsy patients being treated for spasticity in their legs. The FDA has never formally approved that use for the drugs, but some other countries have.
    However, the FDA warned that it also is probing reports of illnesses in people of all ages who used the drugs for a variety of conditions, including at least one hospitalization of a woman given Botox for forehead wrinkles.
    The FDA wouldn't say exactly how many reports it is probing.
    "We're not talking hundreds. It's a relative handful," said Dr. Russell Katz, FDA's neurology chief.
    But the agency warned that patients receiving a botulinum toxin injection for any reason _ cosmetic or medical _ should be told to seek immediate care if they suffer symptoms of botulism, including: difficulty swallowing or breathing, slurred speech, muscle weakness, or difficulty holding up their head.
    "I think people should be aware there's a potential for this to happen," Katz said. "People should be on the lookout for it."
    Friday's warning came two weeks after the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen petitioned the FDA to strengthen warnings to users of Botox and Myobloc _ citing 180 reports of U.S. patients suffering fluid in the lungs, difficulty swallowing or pneumonia, including 16 deaths.
    Nor is it the first warning. The drugs' labels do warn about the potential for botulinum toxin to spread beyond the injection site and occasionally kill, but the warnings link that side effect to patients with neuromuscular diseases.
    That's what's different about these latest cases, said FDA's Katz: The botulism toxin seems to be harming people who don't have that risk factor of a neuromuscular disease.
    Still, the FDA cautioned that its investigation is in early stages. It has asked Botox maker Allergan Inc. and Myobloc maker Solstice Neurosciences Inc. to provide additional safety records.
    Allergan spokeswoman Caroline Van Hove said children with cerebral palsy receive far larger doses injected into their leg muscles than the doses given adults seeking wrinkle care.
    While the FDA said the problems may be related to overdoses, it also has reports of side effects with a variety of doses.
    Public Citizen's Dr. Sidney Wolfe criticized FDA's warning as falling short. He asked that the agency order a black-box warning, the FDA's strongest type, be put on the drugs' labels and require that every patient receive a pamphlet outlining the risk before each injection.
    "Every doctor needs to notified about this, every patient needs to be notified," Wolfe said. "Children are showing the way, unfortunately some dead children."
    He said drug regulators in Britain and Germany last year required that sterner warnings be sent to every doctor in those countries

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    Some scary stuff. We were never warned of any side effects, and basically the guy who gave them and the druggists who prescribed it laughed me off. Isn't it weird how life is?

  • #2
    Wow. Glad you're okay. You might be able to file a lawsuit.
    I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.

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    • #3
      fuck man thats bad. i also never new botox was used for that sorta stuff. wow

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      • #4
        I dont trust modern medicine. They are taught ONLY to use drug company drugs . Its rare that you find one that will use a natural way. Botox is botulism people!!!!!!

        I saw a story today where a kid had a fatal form of cancer. His educated Drs rammed chemo down his throat for 8 months and 2 bone marrow transplants. Neither worked. His mother did a little research herself and found a few natural cures that worked. The Drs laughed at her when she started it for her son and now 10 years later he has no signs or symptoms of cancer. Modern medicine is dangerous. Ask anyone whose been on Vioxx. Oh wait you cant most are dead now.

        Man I wish you the best with your struggles to get well. Maybe alternative medicine might work for ya.

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        • #5
          is true some of these holistic and alternative medicines do work, thats why they've ben handed down for centuries. its like in india loads of the spices and powders have medicinal properties.


          the chinese ares still wrong tho.

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          • #6
            Dude I almost dropped my beer......... I am so sorry.
            I have a special dark place in my heart for medical doctors, I've been through a lot. But that is another story.
            Can't believe people are so insensitive towards other's suffering, including those fucks that acquire a God syndrome. Medicine is not about degrees and titles. It is about intelligence, compassion and care.

            I am checking out for the night. Fuck this world.

            Glad to hear you got better. Best of luck.
            Mr. Patience.... ask for a free consultation.

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            • #7
              I'm back.
              I printed your post and showed it to my wife, she is in the medical field and kinda knows the beast.

              We both agree, your Dr. should be skinned alive.
              Mr. Patience.... ask for a free consultation.

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              • #8
                Man, I'm shocked. Glad nothing bad happened long term.
                That doctor is the one liable, if there's anything there.
                If it was not apporoved for use on CP patients, then it comes back to the doc.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by yard dawg View Post
                  I dont trust modern medicine. They are taught ONLY to use drug company drugs . Its rare that you find one that will use a natural way. Botox is botulism people!!!!!!

                  I saw a story today where a kid had a fatal form of cancer. His educated Drs rammed chemo down his throat for 8 months and 2 bone marrow transplants. Neither worked. His mother did a little research herself and found a few natural cures that worked. The Drs laughed at her when she started it for her son and now 10 years later he has no signs or symptoms of cancer. Modern medicine is dangerous. Ask anyone whose been on Vioxx. Oh wait you cant most are dead now.

                  Man I wish you the best with your struggles to get well. Maybe alternative medicine might work for ya.
                  Dude, i am sorry but you are crazy if you really believe this. I have been in the medical field one way or another for the last 7 years and what you have just said is complete rubbish. The physicians are not "taught" to use drug company drugs. They are taught however, to make a decision on what drug to use based on Evidence Based Medicine. There is tons of research and development done to give them the best option to use. While I will agree with you about Botox and some of the "negatives" that are associated with it, for the most part it is a Luxury type of drug. Not a necessity. I am not sure why the physician decided to go this route with Botox other than he obvioulsy thought it was the right move. Believe me, no physician is going to prescribe any product because the drug company says to. They are responsible for any outcome form any malpractice that occurs under their supervision and they know that.

                  To say that about Vioxx is just silly, too. Vioxx is one of the most prescribed drugs in the history of medicine because it works when prescribed correctly. The 50mg dose is the dose in question and only became a problem for people who took it everyday for years who already had a pre-existing heart condition. The incidence of hypertension and edema being increased was about 15% in those cases. Now let's look at the numbers. There were MILLIONS of prescriptions of Vioxx written for the signs and sympotoms of osteoarthritis over the past 10 or so years. The number who have died "because of Vioxx" is less than 20 in all those prescriptions. There are plenty of people out there still alive with no side effects whatsoever. The 12.5mg and 25mg doses worked just fine.

                  If it were me, and I had cancer or any other type of disease, I'd want the best that money could buy. I have no problem with holistic type drugs and they have their place in the medical field, too. I think different types of medicine work for different types of people and they all respond to them differently. A good balance is probably best.

                  Charvelrocker, I am sorry to hear about your situation. That sucks for sure. I would definitely get a second opionion and go to who you think is best for you. I hope the best for you, stay tough!

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                  • #10
                    Thanks guys... I have really done well since then, and actually have gotten into really good shape to the point I'm considering a career in the USAF. As for a lawsuit, we are considering talking to a lawyer about the liability of the doctor who prescribed it, the guy who did the injections, and the company. If there was to be a Class Action suit filed against the drug companies, it would be something to look into.

                    Where I do think the liability of the doctor comes in his the guy who did the injections and the druggist denied constantly that it was possible, both saying they never heard of it. That and they never even WARNED of the risk, which is illegal is it not? Glad I have a great guy for a family doc... the idiot druggist wanted to do a third round at an even higher dosage, and the family doctor personally blew the whistle on it.

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                    • #11
                      Wow that is f'd up. Absolutely contact a lawyer, Good luck man! Keep us posted.

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                      • #12
                        Wow, dude that is some crazy shit! I'm glad to hear you're doing better now.
                        THIS SPACE FOR RENT

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                        • #13
                          First thing I am glad to hear that you were able to recover from that. Being a parent I become infuriated when I hear things like this. Dont let it go. Make sure this guy learns a lesson. To me the best thing any doctor can do is to listen their patient. I dont know why but for many they just cant seem to do it. Keep us posted.

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                          • #14
                            Whoa, dude! I, like your fellow JCF bros, am sure glad you are doing well now.

                            I toast your continued good health!
                            "Quiet, numbskulls, I'm broadcasting!" -Moe Howard, "Micro-Phonies" (1945)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sonicsamurai View Post
                              fuck man thats bad. i also never new botox was used for that sorta stuff. wow

                              Me too. I thought, wtf kind of sick parent would give a kid botox injections to get rid of wrinkles!!! Doh me!
                              "Yes,..that's when they used to shove a red hot spike in your peehole until you screamed "yes, yes, godammit ..you fuggin' dicks..I'm a witch..I am witch..you cocksuckers"" horns666

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