534 women and children

[skorb]

As a Catholic, I find your view extremely ignorant and crude. I poke fun at my religion because it does have funny things, but why such a low blow? It's not built around having sex and abusing underage children. So what if a handful of them are bad? Welcome to the world. No one group is perfect. I could say atheist are a bunch of church burning miscreants, but that would be unfair because a few choose to act that way.

first, this is the internet and thus I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my view.

second, you should look at yarddawg's response below yours because he got it.

third, I have news for you, good catholic, you are part of the problem here because you massively understate and attempt to minimize the issue (perhaps just due to wishful thinking). it's NOT just a HANDFUL of priests who were raping little kids. haven't you read the news in the past 5 years? it was many many more than that, possibly hundreds of them doing this, all across the US, from Boston to LA and all in btwn. all we know of is the ones who got caught or exposed. even cardinals have been implicated in the cover-up and the smearing of victims and one of them had to resign in Boston. moreover, these pederast rapist priests were directly aided and abetted by a catholic leadership culture that knew about these rapes and covered them up, while moving the rapists into other parishes so they could do more of the same somewhere else, stonewalled legal authorities when this shit started coming out and they came under pressure, and then they deliberately smeared and libeled and harassed their victims when all this finally came out (and it did all come out, despite the efforts of literally the entire catholic church hierarchy to keep it quiet and covered up).

wake up pal. if I was a catholic, when all these awful acts and the church's active complicity in them came out, I'd have left that organization so fast their heads would spin.

the only "low blows" going on in this were the ones the rapist preists forced the kids to perform on them.

[lerxstcat]

The most somber thing about this is that they haven't found the girl who made the original phone call asking for help. And at the end of her last call she started crying.

I'm afraid she was discovered and they took her off to silence her permanently. They are looking for a guy named Dale Barlow who they think is in Arizona. They aren't saying but I think he's the husband that was beating her.

If this cult killed her to silence her then the people in charge need to get the death penalty.

[yard dawg]

google teacher/principal arrested and you'll see an eye opening result.

just recently http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=737104

Now where are all the calls to ban public schools?? Its not religion thats the problem.Its tolerating EVIL behavior. Im sorry but we are WAYYYYY to soft on criminals in this country. This isnt smokin a little weed or speeding here. Its not fudging on your taxes a little. This is violating kids people!!!!!!

Why are teen girls out in a hotel room? Where are the stupid parents? yea yea yea kids lie, so CHECK ON THEM!!!!! Youre not there friend!!!!! Lets start being parents again!!!!!. 1st rule as a parent of a teen.... Ok ready??? NEVER TRUST THEM!!!!! Be a parent.

[thetroy]

I'd like to know what a 16-year-old chick finds attractive about that guy...

[Homeless]

Are the authorities in Texas going soft? I thought they set fire to religious compounds and had a gun battle when they wanted to nick someone for having dodgy beliefs.

(I've crossed Texas off my list of places to go and start a cult. Any suggestions? Must be remote, nice weather, and the sort of ground it is easy to build an underground bunker and command centre, erm, I mean, a church. I'm also up for taking all your unwanted womenfolk and "saving" them. Must be aged 18+, that's the only criteria. Sign up to the Church of the Smacked Arse now!!!!)

Southern Utah is an ok place to start shit like that. These folks have a stronghold down in Hilldale, just north of the Arizona border, and the cops don't crack down on them because, well, the cops are part of the church too.

[CharvelRocker]

first, this is the internet and thus I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my view.

second, you should look at yarddawg's response below yours because he got it.

third, I have news for you, good catholic, you are part of the problem here because you massively understate and attempt to minimize the issue (perhaps just due to wishful thinking). it's NOT just a HANDFUL of priests who were raping little kids. haven't you read the news in the past 5 years? it was many many more than that, possibly hundreds of them doing this, all across the US, from Boston to LA and all in btwn. all we know of is the ones who got caught or exposed. even cardinals have been implicated in the cover-up and the smearing of victims and one of them had to resign in Boston. moreover, these pederast rapist priests were directly aided and abetted by a catholic leadership culture that knew about these rapes and covered them up, while moving the rapists into other parishes so they could do more of the same somewhere else, stonewalled legal authorities when this shit started coming out and they came under pressure, and then they deliberately smeared and libeled and harassed their victims when all this finally came out (and it did all come out, despite the efforts of literally the entire catholic church hierarchy to keep it quiet and covered up).

wake up pal. if I was a catholic, when all these awful acts and the church's active complicity in them came out, I'd have left that organization so fast their heads would spin.

the only "low blows" going on in this were the ones the rapist preists forced the kids to perform on them.

First, good for you. Doesn't mean I can't express them.

Second, I can understand that. However, to make a huge generalization just makes you look like an idiot. A handful of people did it, let's say a couple hundred of hundreds of millions of members. So automatically, it's a front to rape boys? So if I said being an athesist is just a front to be a trouble maker, or being a cop is just a front to force people around, or being a member of the Mormon church (not talking about the Fundamentalist nuts involved in this case) is just a front to have 20 wives, would you agree? Probably not, but that is the EXACT spin you put on it

I also have to agree with YD's second post. It happens EVERYWHERE. Is the Catholic Church singled out due to it being a Church? I would probably say yes to some degree.

Finally, yes .2% is a handful. I would like to see your argue otherwise. While .2% of Priests over a span of 50 years is still too many imo, you're going to be hard pressed to argue that as being more than a handful.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

A handful of people did it, let's say a couple hundred of hundreds of millions of members.


Finally, yes .2% is a handful. I would like to see your argue otherwise. While .2% of Priests over a span of 50 years is still too many imo, you're going to be hard pressed to argue that as being more than a handful.

i think the point is that we are not talking about the millions of members. some of my dearest friends are Catholic. being a Cathloic is not an issue. the issue is the Church protecting the ped's. knowing full well what some of the small percentage of priests have done. so i have to ask myself is why would a Church do this? being a priest does not give one a pass.

i can except a priest commeting this crime because all in all he is a sick person, and there are many sick people out there, so one could expect this will happen. all though we can not condone it, the church has by cover up and relocating. we are talking of an organization, not a priest.

i personaly know of a man who was molested. a great guy, great job, but never married or really dated. after years of anguish, guilt he parked his car in the churches parking lot and shot himself.

February 22, 2003

Seattle survivor, Jeff Alfieri, 43 years-old, was laid to rest today in Seattle. He took his
own life last Tuesday morning. Police found him in his car with a gunshot wound to the
head. His car was parked at the Holy Family Church in Kirkland, WA, the same church
where he was "allegedly" abused as an 11 year-old for three years by Seattle priest
Rev. Gerald Moffat - now free and on "unassigned status" in the archdiocese. Jeff
reported his abuse to Seattle archdiocesan officials in June of last year and filed a lawsuit
in November. He was under the care of the Archdiocese of Seattle for his counseling and
recovery when he died. Jeff is the fourth survivor, in Washington State alone, to take his
own life as a result of abuse suffered at the hands of a priest.



the church was aware of what the priest did, and they moved him to another perish. this story has been updated:

Vatican Defrocks Priest in Abuse Case

By Jessica Blanchard
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
February 21, 2006

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/260259_priest21.html

The Vatican has defrocked a local priest accused of sexually abusing an altar boy who later committed suicide, the Archdiocese of Seattle announced Monday.

Gerald Moffat, 75, most recently a pastor at St. Hubert Parish in Langley on Whidbey Island, had been on administrative leave since July 2002, when molestation allegations against him first surfaced.

Moffat continues to deny the accusations, according to his attorney Steven Moen, who represented Moffat in two lawsuits involving accusations of sex abuse.

The archdiocese's announcement comes little more than three years after one of Moffat's alleged victims, Jeff Alfieri, committed suicide in the parking lot of Holy Family Catholic Church in Kirkland.

Alfieri, 43, sued in 2002, contending that Moffat had repeatedly sexually abused him while he had been an altar boy at the church in the early 1970s.

Moffat considered Alfieri's death "very unfortunate," Moen said, but he has always maintained he is innocent.

The archdiocese settled the Alfieri case for $600,000 in June 2005, though his parents said at the time that the monetary award did little to assuage their grief or reassure them that Moffat would be held accountable.

Jeff, you are missed...

[thetroy]

Right. The problem with the Catholic shit was the way the leadership made horrible moves at every step along the way. Every group of people that large is going to have some fucked up members. The way you judge the group is how they handle those members. In the case of the Catholic priests, the church leaders failed miserably.

[lerxstcat]

The problem is the privilege of the confessional. If a priest confesses his abuse in the confessional, the priest who heard it can't tell anybody else. Also, the confessor priest has to grant absolution to the abusing priest - just like any other Catholic who confesses. The fact that the Church has now started turning them in to police is huge.

So the abuser has confessed, expressed contrition and says he won't do it again. They'd take his word and transfer him away so the victims didn't have to see him.

Of course it takes years to find out if they're doing it again. But the problem is that the nature of Catholicism and Christianity is that you are forgiven for your sins if you repent of them. And of course the priest hearing your confession can only take your word that you really repent. I could confess that I killed someone and cut them up and the priest couldn't say anything to anyone. See the problem?

It's been a huge problem in the Catholic church, but some of you singling out the
church may have ignored your kid's teacher or coach doing the same thing. Or their uncle or aunt who babysits them but the kids never want him to come over.

This shit is throughout our society and not confined to the Catholic Church.

[toejam]

Right. The problem with the Catholic shit was the way the leadership made horrible moves at every step along the way. Every group of people that large is going to have some fucked up members. The way you judge the group is how they handle those members. In the case of the Catholic priests, the church leaders failed miserably.

Not only did the church leaders fail miserably, but Back in 2005, Pope Benedict was facing a lawsuit accusing him of conspiring to cover up the sexual molestation of three boys by a seminarian. So, he asks President Bush to grant him immunity from lawsuits in the U.S., which Bush does. Classy.

And Pope Benedict was part of the Hitler Youth as a child. Shows you how fucked up Catholics are to want that guy.

[CharvelRocker]

Not only did the church leaders fail miserably, but Back in 2005, Pope Benedict was facing a lawsuit accusing him of conspiring to cover up the sexual molestation of three boys by a seminarian. So, he asks President Bush to grant him immunity from lawsuits in the U.S., which Bush does. Classy.

And Pope Benedict was part of the Hitler Youth as a child. Shows you how fucked up Catholics are to want that guy.

You are aware it was a requirement right to serve in the Hitler Youth? And this is coming from someone who is not a huge fan of the current Pope at all (IE the fiasco in your first paragraph). I also feel John Paul II missed the boat on it.

I do think it could of been handled better. It can not be denied though it is human nature to try and cover up and hide a problem, turning it into a scandal. And that is certainly not limited to the church. I also have to say
lerxstcat hit the nail on the head.

[toejam]

You are aware it was a requirement right to serve in the Hitler Youth?

Yes, I'm well aware. I just don't get it. We still have people seeking out Nazi war criminals, yet this guy is allowed to be Pope? Too bad if he was a brainwashed kid.

[necrotechno]

[åron]

David Cross on Catholicism.

Not suitable for the easily offended. You have been warned. Dark humor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSnLsYbKLhQ

Edit: clip repeats twice...

[Rich#6]

Yes, I'm well aware. I just don't get it. We still have people seeking out Nazi war criminals, yet this guy is allowed to be Pope? Too bad if he was a brainwashed kid.

we should just kill all germans, and anyone else who fought against us? It's a big stretch to go from the hitler youth(so you didn't get a bullet yourself) to the SS.