Gay Marriage revisited, Political postings discouraged

[Rich#6]

Some would argue (and I would tend to agree) that being gay is not a choice, but is the way that some are born

+1

[hippietim]

Some would argue (and I would tend to agree) that being gay is not a choice, but is the way that some are born.

The only people that care if it's a choice or not are people that want to label homosexualuty as some sort of sickness.

[rjohnstone]

Here is some interesting reading.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

[SeventhSon]

The "logical" reducteo ad absurdum, right? Unfortunately, nature and biology make some decisions for us.

yes, and there are plenty of examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom besides the human race.

[necrotechno]

yes, and there are plenty of examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom besides the human race.

Not talking about homosexuality. The reducteo ad absurdum was that having children should be a licensed privilege. If only.

[necrotechno]

There has to be a legal standing on marriage. when couples are not marriage gay or otherwise, there are issues with separation or death.

In a separation, the idea that either party is owed anything is one of the reasons we have a 50%+ marriage fail rate in this country. It's the ONLY reason there are attorneys who specialize in divorce law. And anyway, the precedent has already been set that when a gay couple divorces, neither one of them owes the other anything. So, in effect, gays have even more liberties. Guaranteeing that (at least) one party in a separating couple gets financially screwed is no argument for the legal definition of marriage.

As for death... if a little old lady can leave her fortune to a pet poodle, I don't see the problem.

[~K~]

As for death... if a little old lady can leave her fortune to a pet poodle, I don't see the problem.

This happens all the time. Another issue that comes into play is being involved in medical decisions. If you're a couple and you've been together for 40 years you still have no right to make medical decisions for your partner. The families decisions takes precedence. It doesn't matter what the actual parties think. As a non married couple they do not have a legal right to the others private medical records etc ..

this filters down into probate issues and other things as well.

[Rich#6]

As for death... if a little old lady can leave her fortune to a pet poodle, I don't see the problem.

One dog just lost 10 out of his 12million to a endownment fund. Let's say you buy a house together, and you are not married your partner's half goes to their family and your SOL.

In a separation, the idea that either party is owed anything is one of the reasons we have a 50%+ marriage fail rate in this country

I don't think this is the CAUSE of divorces.

[necrotechno]

Another issue that comes into play is being involved in medical decisions. If you're a couple and you've been together for 40 years you still have no right to make medical decisions for your partner. The families decisions takes precedence. It doesn't matter what the actual parties think. As a non married couple they do not have a legal right to the others private medical records etc ..

You can have your power of attorney assigned to anyone you want. And what a horrible circumstance that actual blood relatives would take preference in medical decisions, right? Sarcasm. This modern disconnect from family is a large part of what ails American society.

[necrotechno]

One dog just lost 10 out of his 12million to a endownment fund. Let's say you buy a house together, and you are not married your partner's half goes to their family and your SOL.

Co-ownership of property has always a legal option.

I don't think this is the CAUSE of divorces.

It's certainly a contributing factor. I've a friend whose going through a divorce right now because the girl he's married apparently had it in her mind from the very start that if she married this guy and pumped out a couple of kids for him, all she had to do was figure out some grounds for divorce and then he'd have to pay her child support, alimony, etc. and she'd never have to work again. She's 23. This new generation we've produced has a warped sense of what marriage means. And turning it into simply "an agreement between two persons" isn't going to make it any better.

[Spivonious]

Not talking about homosexuality. The reducteo ad absurdum was that having children should be a licensed privilege. If only.

That's how China does it.

Anyway, notice how the title of the thread says "political postings discouraged" ? I did.

[SEEGERMANY]

Anyway, notice how the title of the thread says "political postings discouraged" ? I did.

[joelayres]

Actually, the title of the thread "Gay Marriage revisited, Political postings discouraged " is an oxymoron. That said, most of the postings have been civil.

[Tekky]

Those who have been on the forum for a while are well aware how quickly that these threads can go south. That's the reason why the term "revisited" is in the title.

[~K~]

people complained that it was BS for an admin to post this after a thread about this was removed. The intent of the thread honestly wasn't intended to be political. The last thread that got pulled because members were using words that could be and are construed as hateful or a personal attack. It created a hostile environment.

I have no issue with people having a difference of political opinion but when it turns into name calling and hostility that goes over the edge.

My point of posting my story wasn't for attention or a pat on the back. As Todd,Kristi,Sully and a few others could tell you my intent was to transition and fade from the board leaving everyone with "Kev" I felt that my change wasn't a burden that the JCF needed. I felt it didn't need a black eye because of me.

Then I saw people who know me and some that they don't, they were saying things that turn human beings into something less. When I posted the idea was to show that when you say hateful things you never know exactly who you might be saying them too. Even my best friends had no idea I lived with this secret and were shocked when I had them labeled as homophobic because of our past conversations. But the reality is they said certain things that made me feel that way. They were not happy to find out they said things like that to someone who they didn't know was dealing with it..They realized the damage they could have done and all the while, they were still my friends .. I never judged them ...

It's not easy to step out of your box like this and live instead of survive. It's even harder when you are told you are a bad person, immoral, mentally defective, abnormal or any other range of negative things and yet these things are exactly what causes people to live in misery.

I've learned a new appreciation for my peers here. So far people have been totally awesome about something that was so personal it was never intended to be talked about here. At the same time I do want to help other people and educate a bit so others don't hit the suicidal road. At any rate I'm proud of the membership ... you guys all kick ass ...