Gay Marriage revisited, Political postings discouraged

[lerxstcat]

Rich please don't twist my words.. I didn't say anyone said anything hostile towards TG people. I said that when we have hostile threads it segregates some people from participating out of fear ...

You obviously haven't gotten the point that I've only gotten 1 complaint about religous bashing and it had to do with what was deemed offensive in someones Sig file ...

I seriously got a complaint for this




that's the only complaint that I've personally received about anti christian sentiments

But Tom and I have complained to you right here on this thread about it, ~K~. Not about a specific incident, but about a trend that we perceive. So that's 3 complaints by my count.

But let's forget about those complaints. Are you willing to say that you don't want religious slurs any more than ethnic or lifestyle slurs, or not? and if not, why not? This is the third time I've asked you this question and you haven't replied.

[thetroy]

I think y'all Christians are just being overly sensitive because you're not used to having "minority status" anywhere else.

My advice is: learn how to ignore it or learn how to defend yourself intellectually.

If your beliefs are worth keeping, then you should be able to defend them easily.

[~K~]

No that's 1 complaint, you cannot hold me accountable for something that was an issue back when Tekky was an admin .. please give me some credit here and be level with me... it isn't my job to go looking for something from back when Todd was here. If it was an issue and you pmed me pointing me to it when it went on I would have read it and taken care of it ...

[lerxstcat]

No that's 1 complaint, you cannot hold me accountable for something that was an issue back when Tekky was an admin .. please give me some credit here and be level with me... it isn't my job to go looking for something from back when Todd was here. If it was an issue and you pmed me pointing me to it when it went on I would have read it and taken care of it ...

Weren't you an admin before, during and after TEKKY's tenure?

But again, I'm asking you your feelings on whether Christian bashing should be allowed here, and you're dodging the question.

Do you think religious slurs are okay, where racial and lifestyle slurs are not? It's a simple question, why are you not answering it?

[Spivonious]

I haven't seen any personal attacks based on anti-Christian feelings.

I completely understand getting offended if someone said you were an idiot for being a Christian, or K should burn in Hell for having a sex-change op, or your black grandmother should go back to the plantation, or your Mexican grandmother was an illegal immigrant.

I haven't seen that running rampant on this board in the few years I've been actively posting.

But if I say most Christians are close-minded, then I'm just stating my experience. It's not a comment on you.

[~K~]

Yes I was an admin then ..did you pm me about it? Did I know about it? No ..... You aren't reading what I'm telling you. You're saying I'm accountable simply by being an admin and that's totally unfair..

your question isn't being dodged because you're trying to pigeonhole me into a vague answer. What specifically is being said that is bashing? Was that sig I posted bashing?

You want me to generalize something and I'm not going to do it. Furthermore you're making me feel like you're trying to bait me into an argument, you're not. I'll lock this thread first...

Unless you can point me to specifics that we can discuss then it is a moot point.

For instance... Do I say a thread was offensive because someone posted that they were against gay marriage? or is offensive because someone called someone a bunch of sick F'in Fags ..

So ..Is it all offensive or just the latter?


Pretty soon this thread and a few others get locked up. I turn the filters basck on and I start adding all religious words to it and then the argument is a dead one ...

I'm doing my best to be fair here but instead you want to paint me as anti-christian and push me into a corner ... and the sad part is that you don't even know what my beliefs are ...

[thetroy]

Weren't you an admin before, during and after TEKKY's tenure?

But again, I'm asking you your feelings on whether Christian bashing should be allowed here, and you're dodging the question.

Do you think religious slurs are okay, where racial and lifestyle slurs are not? It's a simple question, why are you not answering it?

I don't know about you, but I see plenty of people poking fun at "gay" things or people. There's also the whole Jew thread which could be taken negatively if you are that uptight.

Quite frankly, I see nothing wrong with anyone claiming that, for example, the belief that the Earth is only a few thousand years old is STUPID. Further, I see nothing wrong with calling someone who holds that belief an idiot.

It's the same as someone saying "I believe Jackson guitars are made by Martians." The only difference is more people believe the first preposition, but that says nothing about its truth.

[lerxstcat]

I don't know what your beliefs are because you won't say what they are when asked, ~K~. Why not tell me what they are? I won't belittle you if I disagree with them.

I'm not trying to pigeonhole you. I'm simply asking you if you think one kind of bias is okay when others aren't, but you aren't comfortable answering that question.

I won't ask again since I see that it makes you uncomfortable.

[~K~]

This has nothing to do with comfort and you are again making points for me instead of listening and helping define this issue. You want me to simply say the religous bashing is not tolerated but you are not willing to define exactly what is bashing.

Futhermore doesn't this spell out my position for you in my previous post?

Now I'm signing on and seeing religious fights, political postings and such ..it's simply not cool because it creates a hostile environment and that pushes some people to not want to post." "in all honesty it's exactly WHY we don't normally allow religious threads as well as political.

[~K~]

this says it all ..BTW it's YOUR job as a member to point out what we might not see .. otherwise you're just as guilty as we are for alloowing it

Important information for all. (suggested reading)
Political, Religious, Racial , threads have all been removed from this forum in the past. We have a rule specifically stating these types of posts are frowned upon because they are offensive to some and cause division among the members of this board.

Recently we removed a thread regarding Micheal Richards due to its incessant use of racial epithets. Once we remove a thread it is pretty irritating to see a new one of the same basic subject to be put in its place.

Bottom line is this..if the thread is moved then it is a dead issue not one to start a new discussion in. As of today the administration is adopting the following policy regarding these types of posts.

1st infraction~ 30 day automatic suspension without warning
2nd infraction~ 1 year banning
Final infraction~ Lifetime banning

Per our rules political and religious threads are not allowed here and racially driven posts have been added to that rule. The simple reason is that people get overly passionate about their views and this ends up causing battles amongst the membership. People have gone so far as to quit over it

If people feel the need to leave the JCF over the views that are driven down their throats from the people here, then the rules need to be enforced strictly without warning. I myself find it hard to believe in this day and age that a discussion needs to be protected by "freedom of speech" when it is offensive in nature to some members.

We do not discriminate here against

Race, Age, Gender, Sexual preference, or religious belief ..all people are welcome here.. please keep this in mind when you post whether or not your views might be considered offensive..


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[lerxstcat]

I don't know about you, but I see plenty of people poking fun at "gay" things or people. There's also the whole Jew thread which could be taken negatively if you are that uptight.

Quite frankly, I see nothing wrong with anyone claiming that, for example, the belief that the Earth is only a few thousand years old is STUPID. Further, I see nothing wrong with calling someone who holds that belief an idiot.

It's the same as someone saying "I believe Jackson guitars are made by Martians." The only difference is more people believe the first preposition, but that says nothing about its truth.

Okay, Troy, let me ask you - were you here 6,000 years ago OR 5,000,000,000 years ago? So why do you believe the latter story and not the former? Because someone TOLD you it was true, according to scientific measurements, and you CHOSE to believe that version of events.

Should I say you're an idiot beause you believe the scientific measurements are true? How have you independently verified that those scientific methods are valid?

YOU choose to believe that they are - in effect, you have faith that science is correct.

Science and religion both require faith to believe, because none of us were around back then to verify any of this by eyewitness testimony.

[~K~]

Quite frankly, I see nothing wrong with anyone claiming that, for example, the belief that the Earth is only a few thousand years old is STUPID.

my quote

it still blows my mind that there are people that still believe the earth is only a few thousand years old

for the record I never called anyone stupid. I simply can't believe with all the scientific evidence we have that people still believe that. I see no reason that a higher power couldn't have set everything into motion and still havbe all these things happen

[lerxstcat]

This has nothing to do with comfort and you are again making points for me instead of listening and helping define this issue. You want me to simply say the religous bashing is not tolerated but you are not willing to define exactly what is bashing.

Futhermore doesn't this spell out my position for you in my previous post?

That doesn't really spell it out to me, because "religious fights" is also a vague term. It doesn't really spell out to me the dynamic here, which is usually a variant of a bunch of people saying "Fuck those Christians!", followed eventually by Christians saying "Hey! that hurts!", and others saying "Fuck you if it hurts!"

But to me, it doesn't seem wrong to agree in a principle in general, and then say that you will have to agree later on the specifics.

If I asked you "Is racism wrong?", would you say "I can't answer that until we define exactly what racism is"? No, I think you'd quickly say "Yes, racism is wrong, but we will have to decide on what racism is".

So I still see a double standard at work here. I can see why you take the approach of discouraging all discussion of it. But it's sad when people here are reluctant to say they're Christian because people will slag it.

Much as the trans person you mentioned, we Christians feel we're in a hostile environment here. We try to tell you that and you react in a somewhat hostile manner. Implying that it's okay to be hostile to Christians here,.

[thetroy]

Oh fine you want to play that game. Here's my challenge to you:

Prove to the board that you exist. Forget about God, how can you even show us that you exist?

There comes a point at which we must all draw a line and decide to believe some things, because nothing of substance can be deductively proven. If you really think an old book is more likely to be right than years of rational thought and experiment, then I say you have drawn your line in the wrong place.

[lerxstcat]

my quote




for the record I never called anyone stupid. I simply can't believe with all the scientific evidence we have that people still believe that. I see no reason that a higher power couldn't have set everything into motion and still havbe all these things happen

I agree with this perspective, but as I said to Troy, either believing the Biblical account of creation or believing in the Big Bang and scientific methods stil requires faith.

Unless you took the DeLorean back 15 billion years and watched the Big Bang, you're taking it on faith because you believe the theories of the scientists. You believe that Carbon-14 dating is accurate.

I believe that the apparent contradictions between religious faith and science are because we have insufficient data to show congruence between the two. In both schools of thought there are valid data and faulty assumptions that create an apparent conflict.

But you will notice that here, on this thread, Troy is consistently calling Christians stupid. Isn't that bashing Christians?