Crime Sucks

[horns666]

Whenever I had a gun run (everyday)..no matter if it was a bank/store robbery, riot @ a club, gang fight, building search ect. I NEVER felt naked with our standard Winchester 870...extremely, reliable and simple and effective weapons ..

Great advice so far..nothing I could add to really.

Be careful..I had one partner shoot another partner in the ass as he tripped up the steps, he finger was in the trigger gaurd, safety off. Then I had another partner accidently fire one down a street, picked it up with a pen trying avoid fingerprints..luckily he didn't hit anyone. Then we had an gun range instructor let one go in the ceiling during our morning fuggin' roll call..that dickhole!

[Rsmacker]

. Overpenetration is always a concern.

Ooh yes, nothing quite like "bottoming out" is there? Always gets a yelp!!

Do you lot over there not do Rocksalt then? When a farmer would be blasting away at people for daring to stroll across his fields (OK, so we were trying to make a "Corn Dong" type circle, pissed up) he would have been using salt rather than lead. I am led to believe it stings like a bastard and at close range has more than enough stopping power.

Bengal, buy yourself an old Blunderbuss, then sit on your porch in the rocking chair, in your dungarees, drinking hooch and blasting at any varmints that come by.

[Vass]

RS- Maybe that's the way to do it- Instead of shooting the poor bastard ask him to have some margharitas. If he gets too squirrely you can give him a blast with the salt, finish him & the drink at the same time!

I doubt it would work, and frankly the wad from the shotgun at closer ranges would probably kill the guy anyway.

But GOOGLE gives us the answer....you KNEW some maniac had to try this, as scientifically as he could.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm

I give that a big "FAIL".

Vass

[SEEGERMANY]

That's a cool demonstration, but the guy is lucky to hit the end of his nose with an 18" barrel. At 20 yards, I'm not sure any size shot would pattern on his target unless it was a slug.

By the way, if you're wondering how I knew it was an 18" barrel, I measured the number of "vents" on his barrel and compared it to my vented shotgun.

[Vass]

The Mossberg I have currently has an 18 inch unchoked barrel on it. The pattern is huge. With buck, it is going to get whatever you're shooting at, basically all over him, if you do it from 20 yards. It would be a one trick pony if not for the fact that you can buy barrels for the moss & just swap em out in less than 30 seconds, go from house gun to skeet gun to duck gun to deer gun, were one so inclined. Not a hunter anymore tho so I only really need that & a skeet/trap barrel to go with it.

Sadly, I do not have a home where there is 20 yards of distance to shoot from, so it is probably about perfect.

A .30 cal projectile from a 12 ga @ 30-40 feet you'll get some pretty massive energy transference. What's the velocity of a normal low-brass 12 ga shell? That would give you your answer. Velocity x mass = energy. Less mass than a .38, more velocity than a .38, less mass than a .357, less velocity than a .357, so each pellet somewhere between a .38 special & a .357, assuming the mass deficiency vs. a .38/.357 caliber slug isn't huge....but even if it was, offsetting that is the probability that he's going to catch more than one, and probably more than 4 or 5.

Meh. I was told there wouldn't be any math.

EDIT to add- Some loose shit by me re: weights- apparently 00 buck each weigh about 54 grain vs. 130 or so for .38/357. HOWEVER a 12 ga load in total is about 1 1/8 ounces, which is so much more than the .357/.38 it's just not worth comparing. As far as muzzle velocity, .357 with a 130 grain bullet gets goin at around 1400 fps, while the 12 ga w/ buck gets out to 1100-1200. A big difference but not a huge one.

WINNAH- less overpenetration from excess energy, more chances of a hit, a high probability of superior total (not per projectile) energy transfer, and a nasty CLACK CLACK sound that may give you the opportunity to avoid putting this math to the test, the 12 ga shotgun loaded with buck.

Vass

[Rsmacker]

Weeeeell, having a nice little drinkie with the scrote is far more civilised whilst you await the local constable to arrive and detain him surely? :ROTF:

I'm sure you used to be able to get commercially produced pre-loaded carts over here, now if I had been a few years younger I'd have shot my little brother up the arse to find out the true results! I'll still err on the side of caution anyway, seeing as my arse isn't made of cardboard.

I guess it depends how much of a twat the intruder is. I'd say if he was only after pop-tarts and a purse, the sight of Mr Bengal appearing in the doorway, naked, sporting his morning wood and clutching his shooting iron like the Exterminator, should have him leaving the neighbourhood forever.

What we need is the contact details of those Jackass idiots, see if they can shoot each other and give us a proper appraisal.
Or maybe the Dirty Sanchez boyos? Give us a Pain Rating!!

[Vass]

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I guess it depends how much of a twat the intruder is. I'd say if he was only after pop-tarts and a purse, the sight of Mr Bengal appearing in the doorway, naked, sporting his morning wood and clutching his shooting iron like the Exterminator, should have him leaving the neighbourhood forever.
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LOL now that's an interesting proposition- Were one a burglar, and were one confronted with the character you describe, armed in both fashions as you describe, which gun would one's eyes be most drawn to, and which would seem more threatening?

For me, there is nothing, nothing in this world more jarring than the sight of unexpected male genitalia. When said genitalia is ready to go to work, so to speak, it must be an order of magnitude more raw & obnoxious.

Vass

[horns666]

Hey..what's going on..?

[Rsmacker]

Fucking hell, speak of the devil!!

[Bengal]

I sleep in boxer shorts. Just sayin'.

[Newc]

"Freeze! Pt the Pop Tarts and the purse down. Now, bend over!"

How about a bean-bag gun? Are those available to the public?

But then in this day and age, do you really want to give the guy a chance to sue you for damages? I mean, he could easily win the case, saying that the injuries he received from you put him in the disabled list so he can't work, even if his "work" is b&e.

Saw that on the news years ago. Guy breaks into a woman's house, she scares him back out the window where he cuts his leg, then sues her for disability AND WINS!


And someone on Page 2 said something about forgetting the crime - you never forget. In 1978 when me and my brother were in school and my parents were at work, someone broke in and stole all my mother's clothes - everything except what she wore to work - all her shoes (Imelda Marcos was an amateur), and all her jewelry, including heirloom pieces that had far more sentimental value.

To this day, if I find out who did it, I'll set their children and grandchildren on fire and end their bloodline.

[semagic]

bengal, glad you and your family are ok. a friend i work with had a similiar incident about a month ago that didn't turn out the same way... he was forced to take action and use his firearm hitting one intruder in the stomach which damaged his spine on the exit and paralized(sp.?)the guy... he said he thinks about it everyday and runs the scenario over and over, he said he knows he was right in his actions, but doesn't change the out come.

[Shotgun]

Glad you're okay, I apologize if I sounded flippant in my earlier post. Very very glad you're okay.
Keith

[Bengal]

Glad you're okay, I apologize if I sounded flippant in my earlier post. Very very glad you're okay.
Keith

No worries bro! Didn't sound flippant at all.

dk2magic,
That sucks that your friend is haunted by what he did. But I can understand that, I think I might be the same way.

[horns666]

"Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" If it continues to haunt him..advise him to see a doctor.