Filesharing - Give us a chance!

[Bengal]

It's really the "pick and choose" society in which we live.

Christians get to pick and choose what sins they want to believe in and which they don't.

Illegal downloaders get to pick and choose the laws they want to follow.

No real difference.

I post alot because I love to hear people defend illeagal activity. I love it.

Because it doesn't hold water.

Oh yeah, and I'm bored at work. LOVE posting on the company dime.

EDIT: And I bet I type faster than most of you dudes.

[shobet]

I like buggery, that's illegal in some of your states I believe, as is fellatio!

[shobet]

I should add that the fellatio bit I like to receive, not to give.

[Bengal]

I like buggery, that's illegal in some of your states I believe, as is fellatio!

Michael Moore did a great bit on his TV show The Aweful Truth about sodomy laws. He took the "Sodomobile", filled with homosexual men, to every state that had those laws and broke them right in the RV.

Fuckin' great.

[shobet]

I can't do buggery, my piles would bleed....

[AK47]

What if you use Youtube to listen to an artist's material? Is that stealing I mean someone could have stolen the music/video and uploaded it you dont know? Should I cover my Eyes?

Also when you hear a song on the radio do we really know that they(DJ/Station) have permission to broadcast that band's song? Should I cover my ears?

I buy music if its good and I hear or see it somewhere else. I always believed CD sound is superior to MP3s you can download. I like to pay for good quality instead of less for free.

I tried to find the Perfect Circle Acoustic sessions everywhere. Could not find it so I downloaded it. I am not going to deprive myself of good music and media that is available if someone else perceives it as stealing.

Times change and the industry and people have to adapt. If you dont you are only depriving yourself.

[UFORocks]

And I said before, who is to decide if it's good or not? The person that bought it? I think their opinion is somewhat suspect. So then who?

Well, it's an opinion so it doesnt matter. Just because someone doesnt agree with my "taste" or lack there of should not barre me from returning something.

As far as I know you can't do that with DVD's and Video Games either. Other mediums that are ripped off all the time.

I don't see an issue with not being able to return CD's. Makes sense to me.

I guess my point here, not clearly stated - I admit, is that if I had the saftey net of being able to return a CD if I didn't like it then I know that I would have purchsed more CDs over the years. File sharing negates the need to return a CD because I can now listen to the music before I buy it.

In the end file sharing can lead to both increased sales due to better exposure of the music, but it can also lead to decreased sales because people can decide before they buy if they want to spend the money or not.

-Steve

[khabibissell]

How am I going to get in an arguement when 90% of the posters see it my way?

Believe me, I don't have to try that hard to get in an arguement. All I have to do is go home.

Defend it all you want, it's still stealing. No way around that.

If that's trying to "start an argument", step on up.

You keep saying "I know there's more of you on the pro side". If that isn't looking for an argument, I don't know what is.

I'm not arguing. I think that the easy availability of media has pros and cons. I agree with some of the cons posted, and I stated what I feel some of the pros are. I can also see Troy's point in that if he couldn't have afforded to buy the music he has in his private collection anyway, the music company or band hasn't really potential revenue from HIM. Has it?

[khabibissell]

That's raises another good point... Bengal, have you ever performed a cover song? Have you ever viewed performances on Youtube? If you have done either, technically that is stealing as well. Get off your high horse...

[Bengal]

Steve,
I agree somewhat. If I could return PS3 games, I'd buy more too. Same with albums and DVD's. I can't tell you how many movies I've bought that I thought sucked. Oh well, what can you do?

Who thinks it sucks does matter. Should the store just take everyone at their word? "This CD sucks, I want my money back!". Who's fault is it that the CD sucked? The store? The record company or the band?

Why should you have the right to get your money back when you didn't do your homework? (Finding out if the band sucks or not)

And who's to say it's really good but you riped it into your iTunes before returning it? That's the big question.

[Bengal]

That's raises another good point... Bengal, have you ever performed a cover song? Have you ever viewed performances on Youtube? If you have done either, technically that is stealing as well. Get off your high horse...

Please, that is the weakest arguement yet. Yep, I've looked at stuff on youtube. Have I ripped it into my iTunes and burned it on CD? Nope. That's pretty weak.

And no, I don't play out. So that doesn't hold water either.

If following the law is being on a "high horse", fine by me.

And refer to my other point. I love to hear people justify illegal behavoir. That's why I ask about the "pro" side.

Your arguement however is quite weak.

[AK47]

Do yall PRO music stealers know how much a major studio charges per hour? The ones I have been in start at $2000 a day and go up from there. A professional mastering studio costs from $100,000 to $200,000 just for the gear.

The average cost to record a major label cd in a professional studio such as blackbird in Nashville is around $350,000 to $500,000.

A major label producer usually gets $100,000 or more up front plus points. Session musicians get union scale and some get more. Brent Mason commands tripple scale on a major label project. Thats around $180 an hr or more.

These people deserve to be paid and if you keep stealing their work they will be forced to NOT produce cds.

I wanted to reply to this post seperatley.

We are not living in the Days of the Fostex 4-track. Home Recording has advanced lightyears in the last 10 years.

I have heard stuff recorded on Pro-tools in home studios that is easily identical in quality to the Big 100,000 dollar studios.

If I was a band I would rather pocket the recording costs the label would give me and do it in a home studio with a lesser known producer, that I know can be done easily for under 100k and sound excellent.Heck! I bet I could get some kid from Berklee that is graduating in production and record a excellent sounding album for under 20K.

This is another side effect of the industry changing. Big studios are going to go the way of the dinosaur. Home production quality is very close to the commercial quality standard. To pay in the six figures for an album recording will be viewed as insanity in the years to come.

[khabibissell]

Please, that is the weakest arguement yet. Yep, I've looked at stuff on youtube. Have I ripped it into my iTunes and burned it on CD? Nope. That's pretty weak.

And no, I don't play out. So that doesn't hold water either.

If following the law is being on a "high horse", fine by me.

And refer to my other point. I love to hear people justify illegal behavoir. That's why I ask about the "pro" side.

Your arguement however is quite weak.

I feel privledged to be in your company... you've never broken the law huh? You're funny. Hypocrites are my favorite.

[UFORocks]

It is pretty hard to articulate the loss of something you never would have had in the first place.

A downloaded DVD for example isnt like a physically stolen DVD in the sense that it's lost and cannot be resold. In fact that downloaded DVD has been reproduced at someone elses expense, not the original producers.

Where's the loss? The person that downloaded it was never going to pay for it in the first place, and the distribution of the digital copy that they downloaded didn't cost the original producer anything, especially if the digital copy presumably came from a legally purchased DVD. Right? So who lost what? Sure someone got something for free, but at who's expense?

-Steve

[SEEGERMANY]

Whoever said "you gotta do what you gotta do" in regards to filesharing totally doesn't get it.

I made that statement and I think you either misread it or I didn't explain it completely. I have a firm grip on what's right and wrong, but I can't control what others do or don't do. If he feels the need to steal, that's on his shoulders. It's not my responsibility to tell him he's wrong. However, it is my responsibility to do what I know is right and wrong.