Filesharing - Give us a chance!

[SEEGERMANY]

At least Troy is honestly sitting here and saying, "I'm stealing and I don't give a hot shit". Some of you are trying to turn theft into some sort of virtue.

That just about sums things up.

[thetroy]

You guys are the ones making claims about it hurting artists and killing the industry. The burden of proof is on he who makes the claim.

[Bengal]

...I HIGHLY doubt it

Ohhhhhhhh, good one.

Keep your personal feelings to yourself.

Or wait til I start that "Bash Bengal" thread.

Until then, zip it or lets talk about justifying theft.

I give Troy credit for taking the stance that he has. Some others have as well. I'm glad to see that. I will always challenge someone on something they have said. Deal with it.

But as much talk of stealing music as I have heard here over the years, I'm surprised more have not come to Troys side.

That must mean they really do have a problem with it?

I wonder.

[Bengal]

You guys are the ones making claims about it hurting artists and killing the industry. The burden of proof is on he who makes the claim.

Troy,
And you are claiming that it doesn't. It only hurts the Evil Corporations.

So one could argue that you have to prove that point as well.

[khabibissell]

Ohhhhhhhh, good one.

Keep your personal feelings to yourself.

Or wait til I start that "Bash Bengal" thread.

Until then, zip it or lets talk about justifying theft.

Com'on now, lighten up. Who's the sensitive one now?

[Bengal]

Com'on now, lighten up. Who's the sensitive one now?

Sensitive? You attack me personally now want to back off and call me sensitive?

Wow.

Sorry, it doesn't go both ways with me.

I get how you feel, hell you might be justified. But now is not the time to take after me to prove a point. Now is the time to justify theft. That's what this thread is for.

Hell, you can start the "Bash Bengal" thread if you want. We'll go after each other there.

[khabibissell]

Sensitive? You attack me personally now want to back off and call me sensitive?

Wow.

Sorry, it doesn't go both ways with me.

I get how you feel, hell you might be justified. But now is not the time to take after me to prove a point. Now is the time to justify theft. That's what this thread is for.

Hell, you can start the "Bash Bengal" thread if you want. We'll go after each other there.

Dude, relax... I'm just messin with ya.

[Ralph E.]

Well, FWIW...

I just pre-ordered “Creations From A Chosen Path” from CDInzane.

Looking forward to getting it!

[thetroy]

Troy,
And you are claiming that it doesn't. It only hurts the Evil Corporations.

So one could argue that you have to prove that point as well.

Filesharing in general might be hurting artists and/or the industry. I don't know.

I do know that my own personal downloads are not hurting anyone (besides myself to a small extent since I'm taking on the risk of doing something illegal) because I wouldn't be buying the stuff anyway. My downloads are not "lost sales" at all.

Not that it really matters, but I do buy 1 or 2 CD's a year. The most recent 2 were Whitesnake's 'Good To Be Bad' and DragonForce's 'Inhuman Rampage' - both of which I've listened to at least 50 times.

[Bengal]

Filesharing in general might be hurting artists and/or the industry. I don't know.

I do know that my own personal downloads are not hurting anyone (besides myself to a small extent since I'm taking on the risk of doing something illegal) because I wouldn't be buying the stuff anyway. My downloads are not "lost sales" at all.

Not that it really matters, but I do buy 1 or 2 CD's a year. The most recent 2 were Whitesnake's 'Good To Be Bad' and DragonForce's 'Inhuman Rampage' - both of which I've listened to at least 50 times.

So really, you can't prove it either.

But I go back to one of my first statements. If you were not going to buy it anyway, you don't deserve to have it. That's how I feel.

But I will state again, I give you props for standing up on the other side of the arguement.

[Bengal]

Get off your high horse...

I feel privledged to be in your company... you've never broken the law huh? You're funny. Hypocrites are my favorite.

You have quite the high opinion of yourself

I just find it funny that 90% of the time I see a post from you in a thread you are trying to argue with somebody.

That's what you call "messing with me"?

No thanks. Go mess with someone else. I don't have the time for it.

[GodOfRhythm]

Quick to chime in here: I agree with the original poster!

Furthermore: C'mon guys let's have some LARS ULRICH bashing!! Hypocrite? Noooooooooo!

[jacksoncsplayer]

Here's some info. Looks like the majority even though it's barely a mojority say it doesn'r affect them. I never would have guessed that. I'm still going to buy my CD's .

What Do Musicians Think About File-Sharing?

Musicians hold mixed views in regards to file-sharing. While reduced CD sales worry artists, the exposure an artist receives through file-sharing can be a valuable promotional tool, especially for lesser known acts. Many feel the tactics of the recording industry are misguided, and believe working with file-sharing technology would increase industry profits.
A survey of 2755 musicians and songwriters on the effects of filing sharing was conducted between March and April of 2004. When asked what impact free downloading on the Internet has had on their careers as musicians, 37% said that free downloading has not really made a difference, 35% said that it has helped and 8% said that it has both helped and hurt their career. Only 5% said that free downloading has exclusively hurt their career and 15% of the respondents answered "do not know".
In interviews, some musicians and their representatives have said their label has asked them not to talk about the recording industry lawsuits, or the issue of file-sharing. However, some artists are taking a public position on industry practices, and the pros and cons of file-sharing on their work.
Some artists publicly denounce file-sharing. Canadian artists such as The Tragically Hip, Jann Arden, and the Barenaked Ladies take issue with the prevalence of music file-sharing. In 2003, Madonna took aim at file-sharers by deliberately uploading a spoofed file of her release, American Life, in response to the number of music fans sharing her music.
In contrast, Moby, System of a Down, Public Enemy and the Dead, frustrated with the record industry's lawsuits directed at music fans, contend that the record industry's efforts are misguided and that, to succeed in the evolving marketplace, it must work with the new technology instead of against it. Courtney Love, in a speech at the Digital Hollywood Online Entertainment Conference, given in New York on May 16, 2000, talks about industry practices, and the possibilities that P2P networking and the mp3 format gives artists to independently promote their work. Robbie Williams has also expressed approval of file-sharing.
Often, frustration expressed by artists relates more to the actions of the record companies than to those of consumers. Many musicians record on their own independent labels in order to avoid the high cost of signing on with a big name label.

[jacksoncsplayer]

Here's the breakdown of an average royalty scenario. WOW!

Consider this hypothetical example based on realistic figures. Suppose a new band signs a contract stipulating a royalty rate of 14%, which applies to cassette sales. The CD rate is 85% of that. The band records its first album on a $300,000 budget with a producer who gets a standard 3% royalty share.CD suggested retail price $18.98Less packaging (25%)-$4.74Royalty base=$14.24Royalty rate
14% minus 3% for the product, multiplied by .85 to determine CD rate
=9.35%Royalty rate per CD=$1.33Royalty amount x 500,000 CDs-$665,000Less 15% free goods
(Copies given away to retailers, distributors, radio stations and reviewers)
-$99,750Less recording costs-$300,000Less 50% of independent promotion
(Cost of hiring outside agents to secure radio airplay. Multi-format campaigns can run $350,000 to $700,000 per single)
-$100,000Less 50% of video costs-$75,000Less tour support
(Losses accrued on tour. Few new acts break even on the road)
-$50,000Total
(Before managers, agents, etc. take their cut)
=$40,250

[Bengal]

Is there a Cliff-Notes version?

All those numbers make my head hurt.