Filesharing - Give us a chance!

[Vass]

Steve,
I see your point on the return policy too. You are right, they take their customers word for it.

I see that point.

Re: the return policy- strawman. You know when you buy a CD or a piece of software what the rules are. If you don't like em, you don't buy the CD, that simple.

You don't get to unilaterally re-state the terms of the contract on your own behalf because you screwed up and have buyer's remorse.

If that stance digs into CD sales, so be it. The artists & labels have an option then, and that's to adjust the way they approach the market to meet a demand. Or they don't, they don't sell any more CD's, and they die. The market at work.

It may or may not also be true that downloads give a band "exposure" that pays dividends. Again, it is not up to you, unilaterally, to decide that you have been annointed the band's business manager have decided henceforth to help spread the world of their awesomeness.

Give me a break. I know I've heard more justifications for thievery, but I can't remember when.

At least Troy is honestly sitting here and saying, "I'm stealing and I don't give a hot shit". Some of you are trying to turn theft into some sort of virtue.


Vass

[Bengal]

I'm off to do my 6pm show.

Maybe someone will steal it.

[Bengal]

Well, yes, they should take the customer at their word. Retailers take the customer at their word on returned products every day.

Until File Sharing came around, there was very little homework you could do short of hearing a single on the raido, or getting a copy from a friend.

-Steve

Steve,
I see your point on the return policy too. You are right, they take their customers word for it.

I see that point.

[Bengal]

Feelings hurt? You have quite the high opinion of yourself.

Regardless of how "weak" you think the youtube/cover song point was, if you've ever performed a copywrited work in front of another person or watched a youtube vid that wasn't officially released by the artist, you are technically breaking the law.

As for not liking you, I don't even know you... I just find it funny that 90% of the time I see a post from you in a thread you are trying to argue with somebody.

I'm not stealing anything by waching a fan video of Slayer playing in Wisconsin.

I don't intentionally try to start an arguement with anyone. Well, with Cyg I do but that's another thread.

But I will argue points with someone. I don't give passes like many here do. If you say something I feel you need to be challenged on, I'll do it. I have no problem with that.

If that's "starting an argument", so be it. I want you guys to show your work. That's all. No different than your Jr. High math teacher.

[UFORocks]

My thought is if they were not going to pay for it, they shouldn't have it.

I'd love a Mercedes. But I'm not going to pay for one. Should I get one?

I know it's like mixing apples and oranges because a car is a tangable thing and a movie/cd is not. I get that point.

But just saying "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" just doesn't make sense to me.

If that's the case, you don't really have a right to have it.

Point taken.

[Bengal]

Not tonight! I've got to get up early and I'd hate to miss the fireworks!

Oh it's coming Mark. I get sick of people who don't like me taking after me in valid threads like this and the Viv one.

Fuckin' happens all the time.

So we need that thread. It's coming.

[khabibissell]

Once again, you take your dislike for me and dilute this thread with it.

Don't like me? I don't give a fuck. But lets leave this arguement, or debate, for what it is.

Want me to start a "Bash Bengal" thread for all you whinners who got your feelings hurt by something I said? I may go that route and you can go after me there.

But this is a valid debate. Mixing in personal feelings is just stupid.

Feelings hurt? You have quite the high opinion of yourself.

Regardless of how "weak" you think the youtube/cover song point was, if you've ever performed a copywrited work in front of another person or watched a youtube vid that wasn't officially released by the artist, you are technically breaking the law.

As for not liking you, I don't even know you... I just find it funny that 90% of the time I see a post from you in a thread you are trying to argue with somebody.

[Bengal]

And since people are getting their panties in a wad, I'll tell you where I have been in this subject.

I had limewire for 2 days. I downloaded 45 songs. It felt wrong to me so I deleted the program with all songs in it.

So I have done it. But I didn't burn the songs or anything. It felt wrong to me so I don't do it.

There. Happy now? I am not without fault here. But maybe I am the only one who thought about what I was doing in a global sense instead of a personal one.

[UFORocks]

Steve,
I agree somewhat. If I could return PS3 games, I'd buy more too. Same with albums and DVD's. I can't tell you how many movies I've bought that I thought sucked. Oh well, what can you do?

Who thinks it sucks does matter. Should the store just take everyone at their word? "This CD sucks, I want my money back!". Who's fault is it that the CD sucked? The store? The record company or the band?

Why should you have the right to get your money back when you didn't do your homework? (Finding out if the band sucks or not)

And who's to say it's really good but you riped it into your iTunes before returning it? That's the big question.

Well, yes, they should take the customer at their word. Retailers take the customer at their word on returned products every day.

Until File Sharing came around, there was very little homework you could do short of hearing a single on the raido, or getting a copy from a friend.

-Steve

[SEEGERMANY]

Want me to start a "Bash Bengal" thread

Not tonight! I've got to get up early and I'd hate to miss the fireworks!

[Bengal]

Where's the loss? The person that downloaded it was never going to pay for it in the first place,

-Steve

My thought is if they were not going to pay for it, they shouldn't have it.

I'd love a Mercedes. But I'm not going to pay for one. Should I get one?

I know it's like mixing apples and oranges because a car is a tangable thing and a movie/cd is not. I get that point.

But just saying "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" just doesn't make sense to me.

If that's the case, you don't really have a right to have it.

[Bengal]

I feel privledged to be in your company... you've never broken the law huh? You're funny. Hypocrites are my favorite.

Once again, you take your dislike for me and dilute this thread with it.

Don't like me? I don't give a fuck. But lets leave this arguement, or debate, for what it is.

Want me to start a "Bash Bengal" thread for all you whinners who got your feelings hurt by something I said? I may go that route and you can go after me there.

But this is a valid debate. Mixing in personal feelings is just stupid.

[SEEGERMANY]

Whoever said "you gotta do what you gotta do" in regards to filesharing totally doesn't get it.

I made that statement and I think you either misread it or I didn't explain it completely. I have a firm grip on what's right and wrong, but I can't control what others do or don't do. If he feels the need to steal, that's on his shoulders. It's not my responsibility to tell him he's wrong. However, it is my responsibility to do what I know is right and wrong.

[UFORocks]

It is pretty hard to articulate the loss of something you never would have had in the first place.

A downloaded DVD for example isnt like a physically stolen DVD in the sense that it's lost and cannot be resold. In fact that downloaded DVD has been reproduced at someone elses expense, not the original producers.

Where's the loss? The person that downloaded it was never going to pay for it in the first place, and the distribution of the digital copy that they downloaded didn't cost the original producer anything, especially if the digital copy presumably came from a legally purchased DVD. Right? So who lost what? Sure someone got something for free, but at who's expense?

-Steve

[khabibissell]

Please, that is the weakest arguement yet. Yep, I've looked at stuff on youtube. Have I ripped it into my iTunes and burned it on CD? Nope. That's pretty weak.

And no, I don't play out. So that doesn't hold water either.

If following the law is being on a "high horse", fine by me.

And refer to my other point. I love to hear people justify illegal behavoir. That's why I ask about the "pro" side.

Your arguement however is quite weak.

I feel privledged to be in your company... you've never broken the law huh? You're funny. Hypocrites are my favorite.