Filesharing - Give us a chance!

[shobet]

Yeah it's a choice people can make, though if I were in charge I would probably apply some extreme consequences to those sorts of extreme actions. I think "cruel" punishments should be allowed for cruel crimes.

How do you make the definition? Where is the line? What's bad and what is really bad?

I don't have the mental alacrity to make those kinds of judgements.

Is speeding worse than fucking a kid? Lots would argue that the second crime is much worse than the first. However what if you ran a kid over when speeding, is that less or worse than fucking a child?

[Bengal]

So it's the record companies fault that a band puts out a CD with 9 bad songs and 1 good song?

I always blamed the band.

[skorb]

this whole issue is pretty wild, think about back in the 80's buying cassettes and then cd's and who had any clue that in 20 years you could download all that from a PC? that blows my mind.

I'm an iTunes user so I generally get my stuff from there and have plenty of sales receipts in my email inbox to prove it. but I can also see the other side of the coin, in that filesharing has opened many people's minds to different music than they ordinarily would give any time/attention to if they had to shell out $$ for it, and that has led to more concert revenue for a lot of bands (including the new bands that form the opening acts on every single tour that comes through).

so while I buy my stuff from iTunes, I'll say this about filesharing - good music is not in peril and never will be. the corporate suits in the music "industry" who have raped us for years with $19 cd's with one good tune and 9 tracks of crap are the ones in peril. and somehow I'm not able to feel very sorry for the demise of that bloated delivery method (because that is all this is, a fight over delivery methodology and how to capture revenue from said delivery methodology).

[Bengal]

Why won't anyone answer the question?

If you can't afford it, why should you have it?

Please, give me an answer to that one.

And why is Troy the only one on the pro side? Come on guys, grow some balls. I know there are A LOT more of you out there that feel the same way he does. Don't let him be the only one arguing the pro side.

Concequeces?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/national/main3330186.shtml

Can you afford $220,000? I know I can't.

So if you get caught, don't expect sympathy.

[Endrik]

I once had dreams to. To become a fucking rockstar, play on the biggest stadiums, get all the pussy you want yadda yadda.

Everyone who's involved in the music biz knows that it's not gonna happen. No new band is gonna buy Ferraris every day and mansions in Bel-Air.

All you can do is play clubs. I fucking hate clubs. I'm the kind of person who takes all or nothing. My second gig ever was in front of 6000 people... I was a young horny punk and thought the world is all opened. I have given up. I don't care anymore.
Those who don't mind the club career... then good luck. Just don't expect to play in The Garden every day and get platinum records.

[thetroy]

To take your argument to an extreme, paedophilia is ok as long as you're willing to accept the consequences?

Yeah it's a choice people can make, though if I were in charge I would probably apply some extreme consequences to those sorts of extreme actions. I think "cruel" punishments should be allowed for cruel crimes.

[yard dawg]

Dude dont look at this in a bad way. It could become a great money maker if used correctly. Most bands do not make much on the cd. They make more doing live shows. I dont belive you are a major label artist so you wont have the marketing machine they have behind you. Look to pass out your music to locals who frequent the clubs in your country. Look to the colleges. See if you can find the person in charge of booking entertainment if there is such a beast in your part of the world. Here we have naca.org.. If you seriously want to get seen and make money playing live then find someone willing to go to the NACA conventions to market your band. If I had a band I was able to manage this is what I would do. Ive known engineers and managers who take their bands to this place and get gigs...

If youre music is great and the great unwashed masses like it they will tell friends. This will increase the fan base that would PAY to see a live show. The real money is in touring.

If I had an up and coming band I wouldnt worry so much about selling cds just yet. You want to get a fan base that will come see your live shows. You can sell or give away cds at the shows. Myspace has helped bands get their music heard by the masses. This in turn has caused a few bands to be able to make money touring small venues. You have to market yourself.

I dont like a music thief at all but you have to adapt to the market.





EDIT:

The way NACA works is you bring your cds to the conventions. Each college has representatives there looking for bands to play the colleges. They may only offer you $1000 to play BUT you can sell cds at the gig. You can also try to book gigs at the other colleges in the area.

Lets say you book Georgia Tech for a night and they offer you $1500. You can go to the other colleges in the Atlanta area that are at the NACA and try to book there. You can say I'll do it for $1000 because I am already in the area.. In one area you could earn a few thousand bucks in a few days in the ATL area. These arent actual numbers you'll see just an example. You may see better or worse depending on your how good you are.

[shobet]

My partner is a music journalist and I let her talk.

"Seriously, no journo worth his or her candle would or should do that, it's a big NO NO. Truth to be told we all sold or handed on some promos but never before the release date or when it was stamped *promotion only* because that is a kiss of death.

I don't really know why the person did it, only explanation I have would be so damned naive and blue eyed, he/she must be new in the biz because that is giving yourself the kiss of death.

In case you want to handle it nicely, suggest immediate removal, in case you are pissed off, he violated a bunch of laws and unless he has explicit permission to release it, chances *might* be that a contract fell through because of the release (any friends in publishing?) and you could sue for damages."


So there you go, from the horses mouth.

[Newc]

Then again, if the journalist who posted the download information has a reputation for picking good bands, and doesn't just throw up stuff willy-nilly, the free download may still result in physical sales, or iTune-type sales.

Yes it sucks that the internet has completely eliminated the hope of anyone except the rich or pop puppets from having a career in music, but there's at least some chance that you'll get a larger fanbase than if your CD was only available from a website or a coffee shop with no preview.

[Endrik]

New bands ARE screwed.

The industry is DEAD. ZERO.

I saw it myself in LA... the center of entertainment world. People are NOT happy.

There's nothing we can do.


that being said.... go after that journalist and beat the crap out of him... then tattoo "cocksmoker" on his forehead and tell him that it helps him stand out in the world of literature and journalism as the man who spreads the word

[Norton]

Go get that "rock journalist "guy . Listen to what he has to say.

[GryphonGuitar]

New bands are screwed.

People DO NOT EXPECT TO MAKE A LIVING WITH MUSIC!!!

No, I gave up on that dream many many years ago. I think the last album I made made me a total of a hundred dollars altogether, if that... I don't ever expect to live off this.

But the "new bands are screwed" part is the one I'm really afraid of.

[Newc]

To take your argument to an extreme, paedophilia is ok as long as you're willing to accept the consequences?

Exactly. End of discussion.

[shobet]

Every action carries with it a certain set of consequences. If one is willing to accept the consequences of a specific action, then one should feel free to do said action.

There really is nothing else to this. Systems of legality just serve to assign more negative consequences to certain actions which are deemed 'bad' by a legislature. Systems of morality are entirely subjective and not worth discussing in this thread.

To take your argument to an extreme, paedophilia is ok as long as you're willing to accept the consequences?

[shobet]

It's his geetars you want!

But I can understand both sides of this argument though.