Decapitation on Greyhound Bus

[Jayster]

Spiral

Just as a side note ;

There is a community near where I live Kennesaw GA - in 1982 gun ownership was made mandatory (with exceptions for religous beliefs ....etc.) and the crime rate dropped sharply ,there was not an increase of gun violence either.I agree with you that the dirty harry element may not have re-acted so quickly - however if the murderer thought or new that the victim had a gun it may have averted the situation ?this is hypothetical .Here is some interesting facts

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/opinion/16reynolds.html

[SpiralArchitect]

And see the catch 22 is that I'll probably have to get a bigger gun than yours to get that KK Esp from you! hahaha

No I dont think owning a gun makes me a tough guy but owning a ESP Kerry King V does.

Listen, you guys think im on some socialist trip, I'm not, far from it, I'm more or less playing the devils advocate because I really truly don't think any of you guys would have pulled out your guns, I REALLY don't.

And accept2, I NEVER said I was better than any fukin Yank allright so cool your godamn jets there guy, I don't think I'm better and I never said I thought we were free of crime, not once, and if you read my post you'd understand that, I just simply don't think any of you would pull out your guns, what I was getting at is talk is cheap, and everyone seems to have an opinion about pulling out thier guns, but YOU were NOT in this situation and I simply don't think anyone here has the salt to pull out thier gun and blow off somebodies head here and I don't care what you say, I really don't!

that's all I was getting at.


anyhow I'm done with this, it fuckin sucks for the dude that is now 6 feet down end of story.

Who knows maybe he had bad BO or that dude couldn;'t stand the shit he was listening too on his Ipod, we don't know that back story so we can speculate what we would do all day, all Im sayin is I doubt anyones reactions.

C

[AK47]

, if you think owning a gun makes you a tough guy then good for you!

C

No I dont think owning a gun makes me a tough guy but owning a ESP Kerry King V does.

[Accept2]

Its amazing how people turn stuff like this into political rants to garner interest in membership of their socialist movements. Anywhere around the globe, a fellow passenger would have taken out their gun and blown this guys head off. The reason this doesnt happen in other countries is for that very reason. In places like Switzerland where everybody and their grandma is packing heat, no one would ever dare do something like this. As far as violence in societies, yes for some reason the US ranks way up there, but then they have a high population. The media seems to have done a good job on some people. In Columbine, there was a grand total of 12 students killed by 2 gunmen. Its something that everyone is aware of just because of media. In Montreal, there was a massacre with 14 students killed by one gunman. Yet very few people are aware of it. There is no reason to turn this thread into a political argument that says "Im CDN therefore Im better than any Yank." If you think Canada is free of crime, youre just a total fool.............

[SEEGERMANY]

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[SpiralArchitect]

Lerx, you missed my point, as It was an aside to the actual topic of the whole thing.

so far on forums predominantly visted by american people so far the overwhemling majority of attitudes were "gall darnit if I was there I'da shot him before he knew what happened" if you think that my view is ignorant or naive it very well might be, but I get aroudn and I have been all over the place and this is just an observation, don't get me wrong as locally there are people that have similar sentiments but it not commonplace

yet in the press and speaking to people here that is not part of the equation to want to counteract violence with more violence. However as an outsider looking in I see seemingly random violence on the american news all the time involving guns, innocent people getting shot, people retaliating with thier guns you guys can skirt around the issue all you want, but what I was saying is that the rest of the world might not share the same opinion, so that doesn't make the rest of the world wrong, if you want to walk around with a gun in your pocket to make you feel safe, to make you safe or whatever that's your deal and I feel that is sad, just my opinion so for me to stereotype americans usign guns in violent ways isnt far fetched is it? I understand that alot of violence truly isnt random, that there are usually underlining circumstances that we don't hear on the news, I GET THAT, but for you to pull out that a beheading on a bus is a Canadian thing is stupid as shit, joke or not.


sorry it's early none of that probably makes sence, and thanks for sort of threatening me too since you think i'm so hostile, maybe I am because of attitudes like yours???


anyhow flame away because you are always going to think the way you do and I will think my way, so we will all have to agree to disagree probably.

time for coffee


cheers!

C

[442w30]

I can't afford a NICE gun, but I have a cheap and reliable 9mm handgon which I HAVE carried on Greyhound bus trips before. There is no security in bus depots and this isn't the first time someone has gone nuts on a Greyhound with a knife. It happened right after 9/11 and if they didn't impose security then, I doubt they ever will.

I would say that if someone had been able to shoot this nut when he first started stabbing the guy, the victim might have survived. I understand the killer stabbed the guy a number of times before he cut his head off.

Even if you couldn't prevent the murder, you could prevent this nut from costing Canada $60,000 a year to feed and house him for the next 40-50 years. Even if the Canadian authorities were ungrateful enough to send the shooter to jail, I imagine his sentence would be seriously mitigated by the fact that he'd have certainly made sure the guy didn't kill more people.

It does sound a little cowboy-like to say that, but Greyhound is where the poor people ride and the government basically doesn't give a damn. So security will remain nil to keep costs down, except in the depots themselves.

I guess my point is that buses in general are typically chosen because they are cheaper than a car or plane. In my experience, the Concealed Carry Permit holder is more likely someone with disposable income although not a rule - there are expenses involved with being a licensed carrier that will likely not be the priority of a stereotypical bus rider.
If it costs someone ~$300/yr in range time and disposables to feel comfortable (low estimate BTW) in using a firearm for defense.

The worst thing someone could do is carry a firearm and not be comfortable or proficient with it when needed.

But if a semi competent person had a gun as you noted - this maybe could have been avoided - however this will never happen in Canada I am afraid.

I do take the point that I was speaking about stereotypical riders and there will be a large number of exceptions to this supposed observaiton of mine.

On a different topic, I truly can't believe the sickness of people. It has gone on forever, but even one or two of these incidents really makes me question the human race's long term strategy for existence.

I have read a few articles about this young man that died, and of course you think "why?". That's the second thought right after "WTF??!!??".

Canada, America, Pakistan, UK, Austria, Australia , Iraq - WTF?!??!?!

[lerxstcat]

Wow, man, that hostility will kill ya, man! My gun doesn't make me a tough guy, I just pointed it out because (A) I was confirming that they don't have security checks and you CAN bring a gun on the bus, and (B) someone said that nobody who could afford a gun would be on a Greyhound anyway. That's not true.

And again, I did take that gun on a Greyhound, more than once in fact, and managed to take those trips without shooting anybody or decapitating them with a knife either. So your characterization of us as cockblocking glocked up yankees is a bit off the mark.

As far as I know, no one has been decapitated by a passenger on a Greyhound in the US - only in Canada. So how do you state that as stereotypical of the US when this scenario has never happened here, only in Canada?

If you want to stereotype based on a single occurrence, then you'd logically say this is typical of Canadians since it happened in Canada.

But the guy won't get what's coming to him in Canada because you don't have the death penalty....

[SpiralArchitect]

Jesus Fuckin Christ lets not all lose our heads over this!


sorry......too soon?


anyhow, I find it hilarious how everyone talks a big game on the internet, it really is funny, on another forum some cunt was saying how everyone on the bus were pussies because they didn't try to stop a fuckin crazy dude with a Rambo knife, I'm sorry, but if I see a dude gettin fuckin rocked by rambo's blade I'm gettin the fuck outta there so fast all he's gunna be cuttin at is some cartoon wind lines, I'm gettin out of there speedy gonzales style, I'll even push old women and children out of the way George costanza style.

I've got enough of my own problems in life to worry about trying to figure other people's out, if you fuckin cockblockin glocked up yankee's want to be crazy gun toting hooligans then you know what you can have your blaze of glory, it's workin real good for you right now isnt it? But I'm gunna sit this shit out because its people with these fucking "god" given rights that end up cuttin off heads in busses or throwing people in showers with zyklon B or building sheds in woodland areas and sending bombs to government buildings to blow up innocent kids, you guys can have your guns and you all can kill eachother for all I fuckin care, I'd rather play my guitar, bang my fuckin woman and drink my godamn beer, if you think owning a gun makes you a tough guy then good for you!

Bengal, I'm glad you spoke your mind, I don't think I've ever heard an American say that, and that is terribly stereotypical of me, but none the less, I'll go feed the beavers now and put on my lumberjack outfit!


anyhow, this is some messed up shit and I hope the dude gets whatever it is that's comin to him!

C

[lerxstcat]

My guess is buses and trains are going to get the same screening as they do in the airports.

Possible but I doubt it. As I said above, this happened on a Greyhound just a few weeks after 9/11 where a rider attacked the driver. The only change is that the drivers now have clear plexiglas doors they can close to keep passengers from getting at them. Only about of t1/3 of the drivers I have noticed use them too, though outside the Southeast it may be different/

If they didn't introduce baggage security checks after 9/11, I doubt they will now either. But, you never know. Maybe they will in Canada but I really doubt it in the U.S.

[lerxstcat]

I enjoy guns as well, but folks that can afford to buy a nice gun, train to use it, and pay to renew their license and get training probably aren't taking a Bus cross country - they have a Prius or something of their own.

I can't afford a NICE gun, but I have a cheap and reliable 9mm handgon which I HAVE carried on Greyhound bus trips before. There is no security in bus depots and this isn't the first time someone has gone nuts on a Greyhound with a knife. It happened right after 9/11 and if they didn't impose security then, I doubt they ever will.

I would say that if someone had been able to shoot this nut when he first started stabbing the guy, the victim might have survived. I understand the killer stabbed the guy a number of times before he cut his head off.

Even if you couldn't prevent the murder, you could prevent this nut from costing Canada $60,000 a year to feed and house him for the next 40-50 years. Even if the Canadian authorities were ungrateful enough to send the shooter to jail, I imagine his sentence would be seriously mitigated by the fact that he'd have certainly made sure the guy didn't kill more people.

It does sound a little cowboy-like to say that, but Greyhound is where the poor people ride and the government basically doesn't give a damn. So security will remain nil to keep costs down, except in the depots themselves.

[AK47]

Your hypothetical was bullshit. Why would you assume the law-abiding passengers would have guns but the murderer would not?

If he had a gun then more than one person would have likely died before the thing was over.

I dont think so. The killer could have take out alot more people with the knife if he chose to. He had a blood lust thing aparantley. I think if he even had access to a gun he would not have used one.

I dont post the firearms discussions in irrelevant threads just this one and the Hellier ruling case. I will try to be more sensitive next time to people's feelings about being victims.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

My guess is buses and trains are going to get the same screening as they do in the airports.

[thetroy]

Its a valid hypothetical situation regarding the news story. This is a discussion board correct?

I will try to have my posts be more sensitive towards criminals next time and not suggest defending yourself or harming another violent psycho that way I wont offend any Canadians or socialists.

Your hypothetical was bullshit. Why would you assume the law-abiding passengers would have guns but the murderer would not?

If he had a gun then more than one person would have likely died before the thing was over.

[texasfury]

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