Decapitation on Greyhound Bus

[SEEGERMANY]

"pardon me, could we please get back on topic?"

[Soap]

What good is that gonna do? the other dude was already all fucked up.
Plus, unless you have some nice hollowpoints and are one hell of a shooter, chances are you could hurt someone else on the bus. Then it will be two or more dead. Great!!

I am a gun owner, actually guns owner, and I fail to see the benefit of the victim or any other goober on that bus packing heat. The damage was already done.

Joe, I love ya man but where or how you came up with what you did, I just don't know.
Even so, if I was on the bus and the man starting stabbing and cutting the innocent victim (before death), I would pull my gun out and yell at him to stop giving him a chance to stop, or I'd shoot to kill, bottomline. I'd never see a jail sentence either. But that's me, I don't mind removing lousy scum if need be.

[VitaminG]

Isn't it fuckin' sad that a thread like this has to spirial down to a debate about gun ownership/banishment?

Fuck, does the whole world always have to hear how fuckin' great guns are?

Doesn't the NRA have a postboard? Go post there and save us from the propaganda. Please. It's fuckin' overdone already.

Get my point? It would be nice to have a discussion without some yahoo chiming in how much better the situation would be if everyone was packing. It's fuckin' stupid and I'm sick of hearing about it here.

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When I read this story I got depressed, not angry, not vengeful, not hateful. Just flat out depressed. I am just about convinced that there is no hope for us.

Joe, how about the 3 people (the bus driver, a trucker & a passenger) who risked their lives climbing back on board to help the victim? Admittedly, there was nothing they could do, but they were prepared to put their own safety on the line for a stranger. I think there may be hope for humanity yet.

[texasfury]

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[Joe_Steeler]

Joe, how about the 3 people (the bus driver, a trucker & a passenger) who risked their lives climbing back on board to help the victim? Admittedly, there was nothing they could do, but they were prepared to put their own safety on the line for a stranger. I think there may be hope for humanity yet.

I truly envy your optimism.
I sadly have lost most if not all of mine.

Just like an idiot I try, every once in a while to do the right thing, what I feel and what I believe it to be. In an overwhelming proportion, I do not receive a hint of gratitude or just an acknowledgement.
I do not need a trophy or picture in the paper. A simple thanks, kiss on the chick or pat on the back will do.....
Heck, I've gone out on a limb for MANY people and they turn around with absolutely no shame and tell me "Well.. I did not ask you do do anyhting" or "You took it upon yourself and I don't happen to like it or appreciate it". Or how about the kick-in-the-nuts " classic "I was due that anyway so why should I give you any credit".

I am not doing things for the acclaim, because I feel is the right thing to do.

I have lost a lot of compassion for mankind and I hate that happened to me. Why do we have a dark need to destroy and take what doesn't belong to us. What the fuck ever happened to making a decent & honest living and what the fuck ever happened to RESPECT. To us internally and for others.

[Soap]

I do not need a trophy or picture in the paper. A simple thanks, kiss on the chick or pat on the back will do.....

Come here Joe and let me give you a smooch.
I agree, I have no answer why or how respect for the other or ones self has gotten so far out of control. Beyond primal animialistic in behavior, definitely out of touch that's for sure.

[AK47]

Isn't it fuckin' sad that a thread like this has to spirial down to a debate about gun ownership/banishment?

Fuck, does the whole world always have to hear how fuckin' great guns are?

Doesn't the NRA have a postboard? Go post there and save us from the propaganda. Please. It's fuckin' overdone already.

Get my point? It would be nice to have a discussion without some yahoo chiming in how much better the situation would be if everyone was packing. It's fuckin' stupid and I'm sick of hearing about it here.

Its a valid hypothetical situation regarding the news story. This is a discussion board correct?

I will try to have my posts be more sensitive towards criminals next time and not suggest defending yourself or harming another violent psycho that way I wont offend any Canadians or socialists.

[Bengal]

Its a valid hypothetical situation regarding the news story. This is a discussion board correct?

I will try to have my posts be more sensitive towards criminals next time and not suggest defending yourself or harming another violent psycho that way I wont offend any Canadians or socialists.

Hey, do what you want. I've just noticed in several threads you've been flying the pro-gun flag. Why here?

Yes it's a discussion board. But not everything has to do with gun ownership/banishment. It wasn't anywhere near this discussion until you chimed in with it.

You haven't offended me, the shit just gets old. You like guns, you own guns, you think everyone should have the same rights you do. It's not going to happen no matter how much you talk about it.

[texasfury]

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[thetroy]

Its a valid hypothetical situation regarding the news story. This is a discussion board correct?

I will try to have my posts be more sensitive towards criminals next time and not suggest defending yourself or harming another violent psycho that way I wont offend any Canadians or socialists.

Your hypothetical was bullshit. Why would you assume the law-abiding passengers would have guns but the murderer would not?

If he had a gun then more than one person would have likely died before the thing was over.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

My guess is buses and trains are going to get the same screening as they do in the airports.

[AK47]

Your hypothetical was bullshit. Why would you assume the law-abiding passengers would have guns but the murderer would not?

If he had a gun then more than one person would have likely died before the thing was over.

I dont think so. The killer could have take out alot more people with the knife if he chose to. He had a blood lust thing aparantley. I think if he even had access to a gun he would not have used one.

I dont post the firearms discussions in irrelevant threads just this one and the Hellier ruling case. I will try to be more sensitive next time to people's feelings about being victims.

[lerxstcat]

I enjoy guns as well, but folks that can afford to buy a nice gun, train to use it, and pay to renew their license and get training probably aren't taking a Bus cross country - they have a Prius or something of their own.

I can't afford a NICE gun, but I have a cheap and reliable 9mm handgon which I HAVE carried on Greyhound bus trips before. There is no security in bus depots and this isn't the first time someone has gone nuts on a Greyhound with a knife. It happened right after 9/11 and if they didn't impose security then, I doubt they ever will.

I would say that if someone had been able to shoot this nut when he first started stabbing the guy, the victim might have survived. I understand the killer stabbed the guy a number of times before he cut his head off.

Even if you couldn't prevent the murder, you could prevent this nut from costing Canada $60,000 a year to feed and house him for the next 40-50 years. Even if the Canadian authorities were ungrateful enough to send the shooter to jail, I imagine his sentence would be seriously mitigated by the fact that he'd have certainly made sure the guy didn't kill more people.

It does sound a little cowboy-like to say that, but Greyhound is where the poor people ride and the government basically doesn't give a damn. So security will remain nil to keep costs down, except in the depots themselves.

[lerxstcat]

My guess is buses and trains are going to get the same screening as they do in the airports.

Possible but I doubt it. As I said above, this happened on a Greyhound just a few weeks after 9/11 where a rider attacked the driver. The only change is that the drivers now have clear plexiglas doors they can close to keep passengers from getting at them. Only about of t1/3 of the drivers I have noticed use them too, though outside the Southeast it may be different/

If they didn't introduce baggage security checks after 9/11, I doubt they will now either. But, you never know. Maybe they will in Canada but I really doubt it in the U.S.

[SpiralArchitect]

Jesus Fuckin Christ lets not all lose our heads over this!


sorry......too soon?


anyhow, I find it hilarious how everyone talks a big game on the internet, it really is funny, on another forum some cunt was saying how everyone on the bus were pussies because they didn't try to stop a fuckin crazy dude with a Rambo knife, I'm sorry, but if I see a dude gettin fuckin rocked by rambo's blade I'm gettin the fuck outta there so fast all he's gunna be cuttin at is some cartoon wind lines, I'm gettin out of there speedy gonzales style, I'll even push old women and children out of the way George costanza style.

I've got enough of my own problems in life to worry about trying to figure other people's out, if you fuckin cockblockin glocked up yankee's want to be crazy gun toting hooligans then you know what you can have your blaze of glory, it's workin real good for you right now isnt it? But I'm gunna sit this shit out because its people with these fucking "god" given rights that end up cuttin off heads in busses or throwing people in showers with zyklon B or building sheds in woodland areas and sending bombs to government buildings to blow up innocent kids, you guys can have your guns and you all can kill eachother for all I fuckin care, I'd rather play my guitar, bang my fuckin woman and drink my godamn beer, if you think owning a gun makes you a tough guy then good for you!

Bengal, I'm glad you spoke your mind, I don't think I've ever heard an American say that, and that is terribly stereotypical of me, but none the less, I'll go feed the beavers now and put on my lumberjack outfit!


anyhow, this is some messed up shit and I hope the dude gets whatever it is that's comin to him!

C